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CHEYENNE -- The results of Republican nonbinding straw polls in some Wyoming counties Saturday don't jibe with the statewide delegate selection results in favor of former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

In Johnson County, for example, former U.S. Sen. Fred Thompson of Tennessee came in first in the straw poll, while Romney was in fourth place.

Johnson County Republican precinct voters chose as an alternate delegate Bob Snowdon, who is uncommitted and was the only person nominated to attend the national GOP convention, said Jerry Eastwood, chairman of the Johnson County Republican Party.

Johnson County Republicans who contacted the Star-Tribune Monday, including Ruth Osborn of Buffalo, questioned why statewide straw poll results had not been publicized.

Osborn, a state GOP committeewoman, said in a telephone interview Monday that people were asking why the national news media were reporting Wyoming voted for Romney when her county's straw poll gave him fourth place.

"I've had several people say to me, 'Why did it come out for Romney? I'm not in favor of Romney,'" she said.

The eight national delegates for Romney represent a small sample of the state's Republicans, she said.

Of the 12 delegates selected statewide Saturday, Romney won eight, Thompson three, and Duncan Hunter one.

Tom Sansonetti of Cheyenne, who coordinated the county conventions, said Monday there was no mandatory poll.

"There was no statewide organized straw poll. Each county was given the option of holding a straw poll if they wanted to," Sansonetti said.

He said about eight to 10 of the 23 counties did hold straw polls.

He said he talked to Republican officials in five counties that conducted straw polls. Romney won four and Texas Congressman Ron Paul won one, he said.

The counties that took straw polls weren't required to turn in their numbers to the state party headquarters.

"What we wanted was how many people came to your event -- how many people were nominated and who won the delegate or the alternate, " Sansonetti said.

That was the information national news media wanted, not the straw poll results, he said. "Actually, I think it would have been a mixed message."

It was a mixed message in Johnson County and a couple of other counties.

Eastwood said everyone who attended the county convention in Johnson County was eligible for the straw poll. But only the Republicans elected at precinct caucuses earlier were eligible to vote for the alternate delegate.

"You have a convention population and you have a voting population," Eastwood said.

In Park County's straw poll, Hunter outpolled Romney 26-20, according to the Cody Enterprise's online edition. But the county delegates chose Marilyn Taylor, a Romney supporter, as an alternate delegate to the national GOP convention.

In Campbell County, Romney supporter Greg Schaefer won the delegate slot although Paul won the straw poll, according to published accounts.

Eastwood, meanwhile, said one reason Johnson County had only one candidate for the alternate delegate position was cost. To attend the national Republican Party convention Sept. 1-4 in Minneapolis-St. Paul will cost each delegate an estimated $3,000, which that person must pay out of pocket, he said.

Contact Joan Barron at joan.barron@trib.com or by phone at 307-632-1244.


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flounder wrote on Jan 8, 2008 7:48 AM:

" The way Tom Sansonetti was writing love letters to criminals like Steven Griles a few months ago, you can't help but think that something fishy is going on... "

O Bruther wrote on Jan 8, 2008 8:04 AM:

" You all in Johnson County want some whine with your cheese? "

Real American wrote on Jan 8, 2008 8:56 AM:

" This shows where the Mormon controlled counties are. Romney is NOT the best deal since sliced bread. "

DewD wrote on Jan 8, 2008 9:30 AM:

" Nearly forty years ago, I walked in to my first classroom session at Northwest College in Powell for a course titled " Wyoming Government and Politics". The professor began by saying " anyone who thinks they can teach you anything about politics in Wyoming is a damn fool...". I learned that much anyway , and his words have grown all the more true in years hence. They named the Library after him by the way. "

Falcon wrote on Jan 8, 2008 12:33 PM:

" Tom Sansonetti spoke eloquently at the Natrona County convention about how the late date of the Wyoming convention used to disenfranchise our state. Many candidates we might have voted for had dropped out by the time we got to vote. This was frequently true.

Moving up our convention fixed that at the cost of potentially losing 1/2 our delegates to the national convention. I guess we're just 1/2 disenfranchised now. Not a very good trade if it comes to pass.

However, the arcane rules of the GOP in Wyoming disenfranchise almost 100% of the Republican voters just as efficiently and repeatedly. Moving the convention doesn't alter this fact.

At the Natrona County convention, 94 delegates supposedly effected the will of the people they represent. I can state for a fact that nobody asked who I, as a registered Republican voter, thought they should vote for and I would venture a fairly safe guess that only a few of the delegates around the state bothered to poll anyone other than perhaps their closest friends on the matter. Even if they did, they were not required to apportion their votes to match their precinct's views anyway. In this day and age, that is unacceptable. The "It's always been done that way" excuse doesn't hold water anymore.

Change the rules so a true primary is run for candidates giving every registered Wyoming Republican voter an equal chance to vote on candidates. Let each party plank receive a for, against, or this is patently ridiculous to be worrying about vote at that primary so the platform is more representative of the thoughts of the party members than just the select few party faithful. All the current convention process provides is a formal means for the party machine to set up what it wants. It's time to move to the 21st century.

At the Natrona County convention, the only political speeches in support of candidates were given by those trying for an open delegate spot. Mr. Cubin gave his considerable influence in support of Mr. Romney. Mr. True was uncommitted. So before the vote for delegates was taken, there was effectively only one plug for one candidate - the one that got the most statewide votes.

A cynic would say that was the party giving guidance as to how to select candidates. I'm not quite that cynical, but it still smelled bad.

Perhaps there were earlier spirited discussions and speeches given at some other venue when the slate of delegates pledged their support for one candidate or another, but the location and time of that event didn't get enough column inches in the paper to be noticed so I could attend.

I've been registered in the Republican party here in Wyoming since I was old enough to vote. I vote in every election. I won't say I always vote Republican, since I always vote for the individual I feel will do the best job, and there have been many times - particularly in recent years - that that wasn't a Republican.

I expect more from my party than what it is providing. If Mr. Sansonetti wants candidates for office and the media to pay attention to Wyoming, it is time to let the Republican voters of Wyoming have a true part in all of the process. "

WyomingGal wrote on Jan 8, 2008 2:13 PM:

" " We've all heard what most the politicians, both democrat and republican ,are saying: "We know that there are problems and we're going to fix them!", yet I haven't heard even one of them tell us, the voting public, exactly HOW they are going to 'fix' the problems. We, as American citizens, know that there are problems, we're witnesses to them everyday and have a far better understanding of them than the those very same priviledged politicians that tout that they have a 'handle' on the situation. So ENOUGH of the lip service already and tell us HOW you're going to 'fix' the problems, give plenty of details, and an approximate time-frame for when you think that 'your' plan for 'fixing' this great country of ours will be accomplished. Then let us be the judge of whether or not 'your' plan is better, or even realistic, than the next politician's down the block. I'm sooooo tired of having smoke blown up my derrierre by the politicos! I can't believe that the American voting public is going to fall for the same old cock-and-bull claptrap that those wishing to be elected to ANY office come up with election year after election year. It really doesn't matter anymore if there is an (R) or a (D) behind the politician's name, they are all alike in that they just want the power, fame, and fortune that goes along with the highest seat of power in the country, they really couldn't give a happy rat's patootie about the 'average Joes' out there as long as they get what they came for; the presidency, and will tell us what they think we want to hear from them just so we will vote for them rather than the other guy. We just have to figure out which one will do us all the least harm, not only to us, but to our beloved country as well! "
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Go Ron Go! wrote on Jan 8, 2008 3:16 PM:

" " You all in Johnson County want some whine with your cheese? " Don't you mean cheese with your whine? I hope your vote doesnt count. Vote for Ron Paul, Legalize the Constitution. R3VOLution!
"

COWGAL wrote on Jan 8, 2008 3:31 PM:

" I just looked at the Wyoming Democratic Party's website. It looks like they hold their caucuses the same way as the Republicans do. Isn't there any way for a "normal" person to vote for President in WY? "

Chugwater wrote on Jan 8, 2008 3:47 PM:

" What a useless nominating process this has turned into for Wyoming. Does anyone, including the delegates, even understand it? Why can't we just have a regular primary, like we do for state elected offices. The public should go to the polls and vote for the best person in their party. Simple. What we have instead is this quasi-caucus convention stupidity. You don't vote, but someone else votes for you, based on their gut feeling. Good luck with all that. "

Get Real wrote on Jan 8, 2008 5:00 PM:

" What part of "nonbinding straw polls" do you people not understand? It was a fun thing to do, that's all. It didn't take away any of your ability to vote in the primary in August for the candidate of your choice. It was NONBINDING. For goodness sake, stop whining. "

educate me wrote on Jan 8, 2008 9:25 PM:

" I don't understand. So do the delegates for both parties go to the conventions, bound to vote for the winners of the August primary? If so, then why all the hubbub about who the delegates are going to vote for in January if it doesn't matter? "

Scott in Cody wrote on Jan 9, 2008 1:12 AM:

" The Presidential Delegates are selected in county and state conventions by each party in WY.

Those delegates that are selected by precinct committee members (or alternates if a committee member is absent) are bound to vote for the candidate that they pledged support for at the time of their election. This pledge can be broken only if the candidate releases the delegate from their pledge.

The Primary in August has nothing to do with the Presidential nomination process. The August primary is where you nominate within your party the people seeing election to the assorted offices.

With regard to all the naysayers of the convention system (for not getting a say in the matter), anyone can speak for the candidate of their choice. You do not have to be a voting delegate, committee member, or delegate candidate. "

mish wrote on Jan 9, 2008 1:36 AM:

" "Taylor" is a common Mormon name.

Mormons swear an oath of allegiance to their church (leadership) during their temple ceremony, called "the Law of Consecration."

No man (or woman) can serve two masters. Do you think there might be a conflict of interest here? Something sounds rotten.

For documentation, check out

http://romneyforpresident.townhall.com/

Funny photos! "

Robert wrote on Jan 9, 2008 3:41 AM:

" The people are getting run over by a power hungry political establishment.

Average people's voices are not getting heard when political elites run the political system to the disenfranchisement of everyone else. "

Joe A. wrote on Jan 9, 2008 3:47 AM:

" It is a good thing Wyoming lost half it's delagates. Now you are only half as corrupt. Your "Primary" will never have national relavence if it is not transparent. "

Sylvia an undecided voter wrote on Jan 9, 2008 7:43 AM:

" All the talk about Ron Paul made me start doing some reading. Mr. Paul has attracted a lot of attention from the grass roots, so I figured that I should get smart about him as a potential candidate. I wanted to know who he is, where he came from and what he stands for. While studying up to make a decision I have found that he has a history of siding with discriminatory figures and making disparaging remarks about homosexuals, other races and ethnicities and women. This to me is alarming. If his followers believe as he does even more so. Conversely, if his supporters do not believe as he seems to , then they did not complete due diligence in researching his positions. I also find his isolationist views troubling. We have a global economy and we rely on nations around the planet for trade, resources and security of those resources. How can we be an isolationist nation in today's world and survive?
"

vilyn wrote on Jan 9, 2008 7:48 AM:

" hello,
I agree with Chugwater and the others who say we should all be allowed to vote. I tried contacting the republican GOP in Natrona County 4 times because I wanted to become a delegate and NOBODY returned my emails or phone calls.
Nobody came to my door from my district to ask who I support and I couldn't make it to the good old boys club meeting, oops I mean caucus. I think the GOP made a huge mistake moving the caucuses up and think the whole process is a sham.
I also noticed in the video that they never mentioned Ron Pauls' name. For the life of me I can't figure out why the good Dr. is being shut out even in Wyoming.
Here's a man who has more knowledge in his little finger then the rest of the republicans all put together and people are acting like he doesn't exsist.
He's honest, he has never voted to raise taxes, has never voted for an unbalanced budget, has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership, has never taken a government-paid junket.
and he has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.

He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.

Here's a man who could actually do away with the Federal Reserve and if that isn't reason enough to get him into office then I don't know what is. Remember Dr. Paul when you're filling out your income tax forms this year.


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GOPPOKE wrote on Jan 9, 2008 8:46 AM:

" In Fremont County there was a mistake made by the powers that be where the number of delegates to the County convention were limited. However the process really allows for great grassroots participation if done correctly.

Delegates to the County Conventions are elected at the precinct caucuss. The precicnt committee men and women are to work to get the Republican neighbors to participate and even run for county delegate. I have participated in these for years. If people are active the process is lively and great discussion take place.

The process is not useless. It is the grassroots of Representative Government at its best. The fact that most people in our Republic do not understand the process is because they have not taken the time to learn the procees and unfortunetly this very basic civic lesson is not taught in our schools.

Many are trashing a system they do not undersand shich is typical in this country today! "

Common Sense wrote on Jan 9, 2008 8:50 AM:

" Get Real, if it was non-binding, then what was it for? That's a weak explanation. I think you were one of the organizers behind this failed publicity stunt, that no one in America payed any attention to. Did you see Romney's concession speech in New Hampshire? He mentioned his "victory" in Wyoming and the audience broke out in laughter. Those were his own people. We lost half our delegates for that? Face it, this early caucus thing in Wyoming was a joke. Literally. "

DewD wrote on Jan 9, 2008 9:33 AM:

" I , too, find the Wyoming Process to be suspect. It's all insider trading and politics as usual. The appearance of public participation and open caucases is just that: Appearance. It is regrettable that Mitt Romney was given the majority of our committed national delegates, but what do I care ? I'm a populist. The Republicans have a lousy slate of candidates. The Dems have too many good choices. Nobody running as a Republican stands a snowball's chance in Hell of getting elected for President this time around. All but one of the Repubs are running as BushTrek: Next Generation, and the guy that isn't--Dr. Ron Paul--- is being shunned. How distasteful. The national news media are stage managing the election cycle and pruning the candidates...Rupert Murdoch still calls the shots for who gets to " debate" or not. Fox in my opinion , has rendered itself a Second Tier network in doing so. Thankfully , Fox News is waning as a political force. The internet and voters under 30 rule now. And they seem to have developed a new found taste for Libertarianism. Having said all that , Wyoming's ploy to achieve national exposure for its early caucas-primary was a lead balloon. It went nowhere in the media. Barely got any exposure at all. I know ..I tried for two days to get national news media to pay attention to Wyoming's caucus as the first real commission of party delegates , instead of a straw poll in Iowa. With the exception of Boston's WBUR public radio station , nobody seemed interested in Wyoming's grandstanding. Wyoming's reach exceeded its grasp, and we grossly overstate our importance in the Cowboy State. We might have achieved notoriety for giving the world Dick Cheney . Frankly , they can keep him , too. With the singular exception of Wyoming's delegates delivering JFK the Democratic nomination in a neck-and neck tie at the Convention in 1960 ---and that by virtue of being last to vote alphabetically--- our delegation and electoral college votes are trivial. We simply must work for a Western States' Super-Primary if our voice is to count towards selecting national nominees. The stunt we pulled this year was a farce. One last note. In 1988 , GOP Candidate George H . W. Bush was in Cody three times...twice to campaign and once to vacation and fish . This year, where were Romney , Giuliani , Huckabee, McCain ...we've already blown our GOP wad, so there is no reason for the GOP candidate(s) to even think about visiting here in the coming months, during the real campaign ( unless they give us back those delegates they blackballed) . Be careful what you wish for, Wyoming Republican party hacks---you just might get it. "

vilyn wrote on Jan 9, 2008 9:44 AM:

" Dear Sylvia,
I'm not sure where you are getting your information on Ron Paul but he is neither a racist or an isolationist. There was a smear campaign yesterday (surprise the same day as NH primary) but it has all been explained. Please visit these links for more information:
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=41822
and he has issued a press release:
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

In regards to Dr. Paul being an isolationist, it couldn't be farther from the truth. Please please read this:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul375.html

And this:
http://www.ronpaulreasons.com/

Thanks for listning "

Falcon wrote on Jan 9, 2008 9:53 AM:

" The President can only sign or veto the legislation that Congress actually passes. It really doesn't matter what any candidates say they will do. If the Congress won't pass legislation that reflects those goals their campaign promises will never become reality. This is true regardless of party. It's largely up to the people to fix their own problems.

That isn't to say the President has no influence but it is more important to get the Congress functional first if you expect any substantive changes. With our meager crop of congressmen and senators, that is hard for a small state like Wyoming to do, even when we have three fully participating members.

Comments have reflected little difference between Republicans and Democrats. That is largely true. The candidates that set themselves apart (with their campaign positions and history in office), such as Congressman Ron "Dr. No" Paul, are largely shut out by the media and certainly their parties.

You won't see any fundamental changes in Congress or the Presidency if one of the current leading candidates are elected. We'll have just as big a mess at the federal level as we do now if not bigger. Some would say that isn't such a bad thing - until you look at the mounting national debt.

Yes, the straw polls were non-binding and were mostly a fun thing to do. Yes, we will vote in the primary for whoever is left running.

I think the point people are making is that we don't feel the current process is satisfactory and when you have disparities between the results of the straw polls of people who got out to go to the convention and the end delegate slate there may (and I emphasize may) be a fundamental problem with the process. "

Shame wrote on Jan 9, 2008 9:56 AM:

" Sounds like a lot of sour grapes from ignorant folks that can't comprehend the system, or haven't bothered to try. Very modern day American of them and absolutely shameful. "

Craig wrote on Jan 9, 2008 10:01 AM:

" Just have a primary next time. The precinct/county delegate selection process is controlled by party operatives to keep the votes of the people from determining who wins. Can't you see that? "

Craig wrote on Jan 9, 2008 10:09 AM:

" Sylvia -- keep studying then. Perhaps you will recognize a smear job against the most decent individual running for President. Ron Paul has consistently spoken out for liberty for all Americans, regardless of race or anything else.

Go to RonPaulLibrary.org and read his hundreds of speeches and essays. You will be amazed. "

Kirk Sheppard wrote on Jan 9, 2008 10:40 AM:

" So, let me get this straight. Romney and the Mormons are election cheats because Romney didn't win all the delegates. Did I get that right? Oh yeah, and the Republicans are cheats because up to 2 "straw polls" , out of 23 counties, in January, lean differently than do the delegates chosen in December? Oops, one more. Apparently next August's primary election has been canceled. Right? Thank goodness for Joan Barron and the Star-Tribune to show me the light. "

Brian wrote on Jan 9, 2008 11:32 AM:

" Sylvia an undecided voter, if you think Ron Paul is an isolationist you need to do a little more research. Ron Paul is against our military intervention around the globe, which makes him a non interventionist. He is 100 percent for trade and commerce with other nations. I do not believe Ron Paul is a racist either, it just doesn't fit his personality and his stance on allot of issues. I don't deny that there was a publication written and distributed under Ron Paul's name that has some extremely racist stuff in it and neither does he, he claims he didn't write them and they are not his views, he accepts responsiblity for what happened but that does not mean they are his views or he wrote them. It is possible that he did write them, but to me it doesn't seem to fit him. I absolutely can not stand racism, it boggles my mind how some idiot can think he is better than someone else because he has a different color skin, but that person has a right to be an idiot and believe what he wants. Why on earth would a white supremacist want to end the drug war and release all prisoners that are there for nonviolent drug charges? Why would a white supremacist want to end the war in Iraq? Why would a white supremacist mention Walter Williams, an African American Economist, as a possible VP? Why would he praise MLK, Rosa Parks, and Muhammad Ali for their civil disobedience? Do a little more reaserch. "

Cheyenne Reader wrote on Jan 9, 2008 12:48 PM:

" It is good to see that the WY Republican caucus process is just as messed up in all Counties. The process was, "Shake my hand enough and I'll vote for you. Don't bother me with the facts." Romney got the nod because he and his family had more time in WY. It doesn't matter what any candidates views are. Just come to WY and we will vote for you! Great system for the 'good ole boys'! "

mark wrote on Jan 9, 2008 1:17 PM:

" The republicans are in complete disarray from top to bottom. This is so funny! Watching the GOP implode is like watching a car crash - you don't want to watch, but you can't look away.
Maybe I can help. This is a hole in the ground, that is your . . . Didn't think you could tell the difference! "

AAAAANDRE wrote on Jan 9, 2008 2:04 PM:

" Sylvia (and others)

If you continued your "research" a bit further you would find that...

The Ron Paul as "racist" stuff is just a last minute smear job by his opponents who fear his message will end their gravy train.

The NY Times blog did a "Cut and Paste" job of some allegations, after getting beat down they retracted the story

Other articles debunking other charges (rumors, innuendo, speculation)...

Ron Paul No Racist...
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=51578

Ron Paul Race Smear Erased...
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=41822

NOT Isolationist... "Non-INTERVENTIONIST"
Minding our own business while engageing all counties in trade and tourism. Not trying to overthrow and undermine their governments.

"

bigjon1955 wrote on Jan 9, 2008 3:17 PM:

" This is why all states should have vote primaries. Tally the vote and allocate delegates to supporters on a percentage they get of the votes for their candidate . This system and the democrat system of super delegates from party insiders haveing the vote power of THOUSANDS of voters ..makes the system look like a sham... "

Ron Paul is a Racist wrote on Jan 9, 2008 3:19 PM:

" AAAANDRE, sorry to burst your bubble man, someone went through the stuff Ron Paul was peddling since 1978 under his own name and found a lot of racist stuff. Read it here: http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720-ac15-4532a7da84ca "

sue wrote on Jan 9, 2008 4:16 PM:

" I will vote for Romney or Ron Paul. Both of these men are honest, trustworthy, and dedicated to restoring
our constitution to the fullest intent of our
forefathers. "

Vinny wrote on Jan 9, 2008 5:03 PM:

" Sadly, the least know candidate is Duncan Hunter, the best conservative choice out there. He simply does not have the national notariety or the funding to compete with the celebrities running. Do some research on the web and the choice will be clear; Hunter. "

iri4q2 wrote on Jan 9, 2008 6:17 PM:

" Kirk Separd hit right on the head ! If elected it WILL be Mitt Romney AND! the mormons. "

Mario wrote on Jan 9, 2008 7:18 PM:

" Sue, they will make you think that then when they get elected you wil see otherwise. I guess we'll see what happens at election time. These results are irrelavant now. "

ebmfck wrote on Jan 9, 2008 9:54 PM:

" I am a registered Republican and have been for years and I'd like to know when this supposed caucus occurred as I had no notice whatsoever of any precinct caucus. I've talked to several of my neighbors and they also knew nothing of any caucus (including the town council member who lives across the street). I think the powers that be in the Wyoming Republican party thought they could just steal the whole thing. "

Old Tom wrote on Jan 9, 2008 10:49 PM:

" Sounds to me like all you whiney Romney haters just can't make up your minds as to how a real primary election should be held. How about if only registered Republicans were allowed to vote only for Republicans, and only registered Democrats could vote for Democrats? It seems that would be the only fair way, since each party is supposed to nominate its own nominee, right? Oh, and I forgot to mention, each voter should have the right to a secret ballot. "

Justin A. wrote on Jan 9, 2008 11:44 PM:

" Is the Sutton, NH fraud stuff true? The facts seem in order, but I can't find a trust-worthy source. I don't want to trust truthers. I'm going to call Jennifer Call myself in the morning if MSM doesn't pick up this fraud. "

Scott in Cody wrote on Jan 10, 2008 1:56 AM:

" I have a question to the Romney non-supporters that wonder why Romney won the majority of delegates: Why did Gov. Freudenthal get elected twice???? I did nothing to support his campaigns in 2002 or 2006; I know people around the state that did not vote for him either time, yet he was granted two terms by the voters, at least that's what we're told by the media in conjunction with the Secretary of State's office.

But I'm not buying it. I think Eli Bebout won in 2002 and Ray Hunkins in 2006 because that's who I voted for. I'm just wondering why Eli Bebout didn't seek a second term. It wouldn't have been near as much an uphill battle getting him re-elected than having to start fresh with Ray Hunkins. "

vilyn wrote on Jan 10, 2008 8:26 AM:

" Right on bigjon. All wyoming residents should be able to vote and vote for whomever they want regardless of the party. How can we (U.S.A.) expect to spread democracy around the world when our system is so broken. Basically if we get to vote at all we have electronic machines that are corrupt and no visible means of making sure our vote goes where we intended. We have the mass media manipulating ignorant americans to vote for whoever they're told to vote for, and the scariest part is that we're losing more rights and freedoms every single day.
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We don't get our rights because we're gays or women or minorities. We get our rights from our Creator as individuals. So every individual should be treated the same way. - Dr. Ron Paul- "

TomHandsomenetti wrote on Jan 10, 2008 9:33 AM:

" It was a rigged deal for Sansonetti to get in good with Romney. Sanso boy is still looking for a judgeship or cabinet position. Once again the real GOP voters lose while the establishment cuts deals for itself. Would you expect anything else with Enzi and Barrasso in office? Those two louts sold out the day they crossed the Beltway.

By the way, do your research. Ron Paul associates with well-known racists. Viisit www.stormfront.org. Both Jamey O'Neal and Don Black are big supporters along with Cindy Sheehan. Ron Paul isn't a real candidate. He runs for President because it makes money for his fundraising operation. WAKE UP SIMPLETONS!

http://texasfred.net/archives/866 "

Falcon wrote on Jan 10, 2008 9:33 AM:

" To Scott, I think you would find few people who feel that actual elections in Wyoming have any kind of serious voting irregularity. The optical readers work - although the verification on recount rules need some serious attention.

Gov. Freudenthal got elected because many Republicans, such as myself, simply couldn't stand the Republican candidates the last two election cycles. That combined with the faction who like having a split congress and executive branch in Wyoming doomed them.

Congresswoman Cubin faced the same situation. I'm a Republican, but I know my ABC's - "Anybody But Cubin". We were almost successful.

I don't believe there were any technical irregularities in the process that got Mitt Romney the most delegates this time either. I simply think it is seriously outdated and that a primary where each registered party member could select candidates for their party at all levels with the top 5 statewide moving on to the primary would be better, although more expensive.

I agree with ebmfck that if the process stays the same, the precinct people need to put more effort into their job or the party itself needs to get involved by mailing out reminders to the registered Republican voters when important events are scheduled. "

Honcho wrote on Jan 10, 2008 11:46 AM:

" Romney is the candidate of the big-money boys. He's the candidate of the same Republicans who manipulated two elections that gave us George W. Bush. Romney is the candidate of Wall Street, the bankers, and big oil. He's the candidate of Dick Cheney and the military-industrial complex (yes, it's still around). Why should it surprise anyone that the Wyoming Republican leadership would make sure Romney was the "candidate of choice." Now it's up to the people of Wyoming to make sure Romney never gets elected. "

Scott in Cody wrote on Jan 10, 2008 1:19 PM:

" The caucuses, were held in December. Unless you're a "news junkie," they went fairly unnoticed and would have only gotten coverage in your local media if any at all.

The county conventions, which this article is about, was January 5th. The GOP County conventions have been a state-wide news topic off and on for many months (especially int he days leading up to it), beginning with the WYGOP decision to match New Hampshire's date. When New Hampshire drug their feet on selecting a date, WYGOP chose Jan. 5, at the time making Wyoming Republicans first in line in the nomination process.

A couple months or so down the line, Iowa chose to caucus Jan. 3. However, it needs to be noted (and the media rarely do) that Iowa's caucuses are not binding on delegate selection. Neither are Wyoming's caucuses. Iowa will have county conventions and a state convention to choose their delegates just like WYGOP did on the county level last Saturday and will do on the state level in May. "

Sugar wrote on Jan 10, 2008 1:19 PM:

" AAAAANDRE, Non-interventionist? Does that mean you allow a guy like Hitler to build up his power and do nothing as he invades his European neighbors because he has not invaded you (no matter what other economic or security repercussions this may create)? Do you remember the phrase "peace at any cost" and the names Wilson and Chamberlin? Do you remember the outcome of the peace at any cost policy?
"

Wy_oldtimer wrote on Jan 10, 2008 2:12 PM:

" So far it looks like the only ones impressed with the Romney win in Wyoming is Romney and the Wyoming Republican Party. Had to chuckle when CNN's Wolf Blitzer mentioned "Romney's win in Wyoming didn't mean much except perhaps to Wyoming"
So much for Wyoming “Wowing” the nation with an early political caucus.
"

Shepard wrote on Jan 10, 2008 4:30 PM:

" Teton County's process war fair. We did not have a stroll poll. My candidate of choice lost to the LDS Candidate, but I respect the mormon's right to band together to vote in support of their own. Maybe other religions should learn from LDS & Islamic groups and become stronger themselves? "

Joel in Lander wrote on Jan 10, 2008 4:40 PM:

" Ron Paul is a Racist wrote on Jan 9, 2008 3:19 PM:
" AAAANDRE, sorry to burst your bubble man, someone went through the stuff Ron Paul was peddling since 1978 under his own name and found a lot of racist stuff. Read it here: http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720-ac15-4532a7da84ca "

Sorry R.P. I. A. Racist, but the piece you linked is from the socialist New Republic, and the best the reporter could come up with after digging through 20+ years of newsletters linked to D. Paul was some innuendo. I wasn't impressed.

To say that criticism of Lincoln is racist is a real stretch, since Lincoln's plan was to deport the blacks, and he was a racist as they come. See http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo138.html

I worked as a grasroots supporter for Dr. Paul in Fremont county, and attended the precinct caucuses as well as the county convention. There was time to tell jokes, but I wasn't able to speak. Issues were avoided. The national delegate selected from our county did not know his candidates's position on gun rights when asked informally after he had won the election.
"

flounder wrote on Jan 10, 2008 9:03 PM:

" Joel, Paul wrote racist stuff and/or published it and made it look like he was the author. For over a decade! That New Republic article provides links where you can look at Ron Paul's very own newletters. I don't think "innuendo" means what you think it does. "

John wrote on Jan 11, 2008 9:45 AM:

" You Wyoming people are forgetting one thing, your are such a low population state who you select has no effect. "

Woody wrote on Jan 11, 2008 1:05 PM:

" I do not pretend to Know the scoop on all the choices we have to choose from,but from what I have seen & heard I lean towards Paul or Huckabe due to they know the constitution and are aware the IRS & income tax are in violation of our rights.I agree with Wyominggal that our government that is supposed to be "of the people,for the people,& by the people,but both sides
parties have fallen in love with power vacated by us the people.Not enough people are exercising thier political rights & power thus big business & currupt politics run the show. Woody "

Lou wrote on Jan 14, 2008 11:35 AM:

" Honcho, The "big money boys" are the captains of industry that fuel our economy and create jobs for you and I. If you envy the "big money boys" why don't you take the risks and start up your own big business? If your smart and hard enough working may be you too can one day be a "big money boy" too. Can you start up a Boeing, National Steel, or IBM? Would you rather have Chinese, Korean of French companies dominate all the worlds markets? "

flounder wrote on Jan 15, 2008 4:28 AM:

" Lou, you should learn what the definition of an oligopoly is. It is a business where the barrier to entry is such that it takes billions of dollars to get the foot in the door. Most oligopolies are also protected by a regulatory climate that favors lack of competition. How many competitors does Boeing have? One at this point, for commercial jets (Airbus). Why does Boeing have all those lobbyist? All the companies you listed are oligopolies, that the average person is literally locked out of starting. That isn't to say the average person can't start a good business, but you can forget about competing in wide sectors of industry. Republican business thinking favors monopolies and oligopolies. In France competition among internet providers is fierce, and the product is both cheaper and more innovative there. A startup could actually compete there, though it wouldn't be easy. Here in the US we have the same two or three internet providers to choose from, even in big cities. "

Doug wrote on Jan 15, 2008 4:43 AM:

" Lou, the big money boys have raped this country's economy long enough, wake up and smell the coffee. What jobs are they creating, maybe for people in India and China, or some other foreign country. Or, perhaps importing them across the border to the South.

It is die hard Conservatives like you who have given us two terms of the most inept President in this country's history. When George W. took office this country had a economic surplus, we no have a multi-trillion dollar deficet. You say George W. inherited our present economic woes, bull, you would think with close to eight years in office he would have a handle on things, or maybe we are expecting too much of the village idiot. "

Jim wrote on Jan 15, 2008 6:04 PM:

" Doug is confusing between the budget surplus/debt with the national debt. The current budget deficit is multi-billion not multi trillion. Debt has been in place since WWII.

And John Wyoming has more republican delegates than New Hampshire. "

Wy_oldtimer wrote on Jan 29, 2008 9:42 AM:

" Defining the new Oligopoly

Oligopolies have been around as long as commerce has. The term denotes a situation where there are few sellers for a product or service. The members of an oligopoly change the nature of a free market. While they can't dictate price and availability like a monopoly can, they often turn into friendly competitors, since it is in all the members' interest to maintain a stable market and profitable prices.

The new oligopoly is made up of multinational corporations that have chosen specific product or service categories to dominate. In each category, over time, only two to four major players prosper. Starting a new company in that market segment is difficult, and the few that do succeed are often gobbled up or run out of business by the oligopolies.

Few multinationals aspire to be monopolies. Monopolies attract government regulation and consumer anger (just ask Microsoft). Small oligopolies (such as Coke, Pepsi, and Cadbury-Schweppes) make plenty of money and avoid the constant attention of the regulators. "

wy old fogie wrote on Jan 30, 2008 6:27 PM:

" Mormon's think that if they do well enough on Earth, they'll get to be a god of their own planet when they die. Is this the type of belief system we want in a President? Save your breath LDS, I already know you'll deny this. Heck, you don't even tell your own members some of the stuff their church is founded on. "

30 year Wyoming-ite wrote on Feb 5, 2008 11:02 AM:

" Mish -
"Mormons swear an oath of allegiance to their church (leadership) during their temple ceremony, called "the Law of Consecration."

Where in the world did you get that definition of the Law of Consecration? This law states that "we each dedicate our time, our efforts, and our resources to helping others."

-from a Mormon who does NOT believe I'll be a god of my own planet (for Wy old Fogie's benefit.) We are taught that we have the (listen carefully) POTENTIAL to become "like God" meaning that we strive for perfection. And yes, we know that perfection cannot be reached in mortal life, but we do believe in Heaven & Hell, and life after death, and always striving to be better people. "

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