CHEYENNE -- The results of Republican nonbinding straw polls in some Wyoming counties Saturday don't jibe with the statewide delegate selection results in favor of former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.
In Johnson County, for example, former U.S. Sen. Fred Thompson of Tennessee came in first in the straw poll, while Romney was in fourth place.
Johnson County Republican precinct voters chose as an alternate delegate Bob Snowdon, who is uncommitted and was the only person nominated to attend the national GOP convention, said Jerry Eastwood, chairman of the Johnson County Republican Party.
Johnson County Republicans who contacted the Star-Tribune Monday, including Ruth Osborn of Buffalo, questioned why statewide straw poll results had not been publicized.
Osborn, a state GOP committeewoman, said in a telephone interview Monday that people were asking why the national news media were reporting Wyoming voted for Romney when her county's straw poll gave him fourth place.
"I've had several people say to me, 'Why did it come out for Romney? I'm not in favor of Romney,'" she said.
The eight national delegates for Romney represent a small sample of the state's Republicans, she said.
Of the 12 delegates selected statewide Saturday, Romney won eight, Thompson three, and Duncan Hunter one.
Tom Sansonetti of Cheyenne, who coordinated the county conventions, said Monday there was no mandatory poll.
"There was no statewide organized straw poll. Each county was given the option of holding a straw poll if they wanted to," Sansonetti said.
He said about eight to 10 of the 23 counties did hold straw polls.
He said he talked to Republican officials in five counties that conducted straw polls. Romney won four and Texas Congressman Ron Paul won one, he said.
The counties that took straw polls weren't required to turn in their numbers to the state party headquarters.
"What we wanted was how many people came to your event -- how many people were nominated and who won the delegate or the alternate, " Sansonetti said.
That was the information national news media wanted, not the straw poll results, he said. "Actually, I think it would have been a mixed message."
It was a mixed message in Johnson County and a couple of other counties.
Eastwood said everyone who attended the county convention in Johnson County was eligible for the straw poll. But only the Republicans elected at precinct caucuses earlier were eligible to vote for the alternate delegate.
"You have a convention population and you have a voting population," Eastwood said.
In Park County's straw poll, Hunter outpolled Romney 26-20, according to the Cody Enterprise's online edition. But the county delegates chose Marilyn Taylor, a Romney supporter, as an alternate delegate to the national GOP convention.
In Campbell County, Romney supporter Greg Schaefer won the delegate slot although Paul won the straw poll, according to published accounts.
Eastwood, meanwhile, said one reason Johnson County had only one candidate for the alternate delegate position was cost. To attend the national Republican Party convention Sept. 1-4 in Minneapolis-St. Paul will cost each delegate an estimated $3,000, which that person must pay out of pocket, he said.
Contact Joan Barron at joan.barron@trib.com or by phone at 307-632-1244.
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flounder wrote on Jan 8, 2008 7:48 AM:
O Bruther wrote on Jan 8, 2008 8:04 AM:
Real American wrote on Jan 8, 2008 8:56 AM:
DewD wrote on Jan 8, 2008 9:30 AM:
Falcon wrote on Jan 8, 2008 12:33 PM:
Moving up our convention fixed that at the cost of potentially losing 1/2 our delegates to the national convention. I guess we're just 1/2 disenfranchised now. Not a very good trade if it comes to pass.
However, the arcane rules of the GOP in Wyoming disenfranchise almost 100% of the Republican voters just as efficiently and repeatedly. Moving the convention doesn't alter this fact.
At the Natrona County convention, 94 delegates supposedly effected the will of the people they represent. I can state for a fact that nobody asked who I, as a registered Republican voter, thought they should vote for and I would venture a fairly safe guess that only a few of the delegates around the state bothered to poll anyone other than perhaps their closest friends on the matter. Even if they did, they were not required to apportion their votes to match their precinct's views anyway. In this day and age, that is unacceptable. The "It's always been done that way" excuse doesn't hold water anymore.
Change the rules so a true primary is run for candidates giving every registered Wyoming Republican voter an equal chance to vote on candidates. Let each party plank receive a for, against, or this is patently ridiculous to be worrying about vote at that primary so the platform is more representative of the thoughts of the party members than just the select few party faithful. All the current convention process provides is a formal means for the party machine to set up what it wants. It's time to move to the 21st century.
At the Natrona County convention, the only political speeches in support of candidates were given by those trying for an open delegate spot. Mr. Cubin gave his considerable influence in support of Mr. Romney. Mr. True was uncommitted. So before the vote for delegates was taken, there was effectively only one plug for one candidate - the one that got the most statewide votes.
A cynic would say that was the party giving guidance as to how to select candidates. I'm not quite that cynical, but it still smelled bad.
Perhaps there were earlier spirited discussions and speeches given at some other venue when the slate of delegates pledged their support for one candidate or another, but the location and time of that event didn't get enough column inches in the paper to be noticed so I could attend.
I've been registered in the Republican party here in Wyoming since I was old enough to vote. I vote in every election. I won't say I always vote Republican, since I always vote for the individual I feel will do the best job, and there have been many times - particularly in recent years - that that wasn't a Republican.
I expect more from my party than what it is providing. If Mr. Sansonetti wants candidates for office and the media to pay attention to Wyoming, it is time to let the Republican voters of Wyoming have a true part in all of the process. "
WyomingGal wrote on Jan 8, 2008 2:13 PM:
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Go Ron Go! wrote on Jan 8, 2008 3:16 PM:
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COWGAL wrote on Jan 8, 2008 3:31 PM:
Chugwater wrote on Jan 8, 2008 3:47 PM:
Get Real wrote on Jan 8, 2008 5:00 PM:
educate me wrote on Jan 8, 2008 9:25 PM:
Scott in Cody wrote on Jan 9, 2008 1:12 AM:
Those delegates that are selected by precinct committee members (or alternates if a committee member is absent) are bound to vote for the candidate that they pledged support for at the time of their election. This pledge can be broken only if the candidate releases the delegate from their pledge.
The Primary in August has nothing to do with the Presidential nomination process. The August primary is where you nominate within your party the people seeing election to the assorted offices.
With regard to all the naysayers of the convention system (for not getting a say in the matter), anyone can speak for the candidate of their choice. You do not have to be a voting delegate, committee member, or delegate candidate. "
mish wrote on Jan 9, 2008 1:36 AM:
Mormons swear an oath of allegiance to their church (leadership) during their temple ceremony, called "the Law of Consecration."
No man (or woman) can serve two masters. Do you think there might be a conflict of interest here? Something sounds rotten.
For documentation, check out
http://romneyforpresident.townhall.com/
Funny photos! "
Robert wrote on Jan 9, 2008 3:41 AM:
Average people's voices are not getting heard when political elites run the political system to the disenfranchisement of everyone else. "
Joe A. wrote on Jan 9, 2008 3:47 AM:
Sylvia an undecided voter wrote on Jan 9, 2008 7:43 AM:
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vilyn wrote on Jan 9, 2008 7:48 AM:
I agree with Chugwater and the others who say we should all be allowed to vote. I tried contacting the republican GOP in Natrona County 4 times because I wanted to become a delegate and NOBODY returned my emails or phone calls.
Nobody came to my door from my district to ask who I support and I couldn't make it to the good old boys club meeting, oops I mean caucus. I think the GOP made a huge mistake moving the caucuses up and think the whole process is a sham.
I also noticed in the video that they never mentioned Ron Pauls' name. For the life of me I can't figure out why the good Dr. is being shut out even in Wyoming.
Here's a man who has more knowledge in his little finger then the rest of the republicans all put together and people are acting like he doesn't exsist.
He's honest, he has never voted to raise taxes, has never voted for an unbalanced budget, has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership, has never taken a government-paid junket.
and he has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.
Here's a man who could actually do away with the Federal Reserve and if that isn't reason enough to get him into office then I don't know what is. Remember Dr. Paul when you're filling out your income tax forms this year.
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GOPPOKE wrote on Jan 9, 2008 8:46 AM:
Delegates to the County Conventions are elected at the precinct caucuss. The precicnt committee men and women are to work to get the Republican neighbors to participate and even run for county delegate. I have participated in these for years. If people are active the process is lively and great discussion take place.
The process is not useless. It is the grassroots of Representative Government at its best. The fact that most people in our Republic do not understand the process is because they have not taken the time to learn the procees and unfortunetly this very basic civic lesson is not taught in our schools.
Many are trashing a system they do not undersand shich is typical in this country today! "
Common Sense wrote on Jan 9, 2008 8:50 AM:
DewD wrote on Jan 9, 2008 9:33 AM:
vilyn wrote on Jan 9, 2008 9:44 AM:
I'm not sure where you are getting your information on Ron Paul but he is neither a racist or an isolationist. There was a smear campaign yesterday (surprise the same day as NH primary) but it has all been explained. Please visit these links for more information:
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=41822
and he has issued a press release:
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/
In regards to Dr. Paul being an isolationist, it couldn't be farther from the truth. Please please read this:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul375.html
And this:
http://www.ronpaulreasons.com/
Thanks for listning "
Falcon wrote on Jan 9, 2008 9:53 AM:
That isn't to say the President has no influence but it is more important to get the Congress functional first if you expect any substantive changes. With our meager crop of congressmen and senators, that is hard for a small state like Wyoming to do, even when we have three fully participating members.
Comments have reflected little difference between Republicans and Democrats. That is largely true. The candidates that set themselves apart (with their campaign positions and history in office), such as Congressman Ron "Dr. No" Paul, are largely shut out by the media and certainly their parties.
You won't see any fundamental changes in Congress or the Presidency if one of the current leading candidates are elected. We'll have just as big a mess at the federal level as we do now if not bigger. Some would say that isn't such a bad thing - until you look at the mounting national debt.
Yes, the straw polls were non-binding and were mostly a fun thing to do. Yes, we will vote in the primary for whoever is left running.
I think the point people are making is that we don't feel the current process is satisfactory and when you have disparities between the results of the straw polls of people who got out to go to the convention and the end delegate slate there may (and I emphasize may) be a fundamental problem with the process. "
Shame wrote on Jan 9, 2008 9:56 AM:
Craig wrote on Jan 9, 2008 10:01 AM:
Craig wrote on Jan 9, 2008 10:09 AM:
Go to RonPaulLibrary.org and read his hundreds of speeches and essays. You will be amazed. "
Kirk Sheppard wrote on Jan 9, 2008 10:40 AM:
Brian wrote on Jan 9, 2008 11:32 AM:
Cheyenne Reader wrote on Jan 9, 2008 12:48 PM:
mark wrote on Jan 9, 2008 1:17 PM:
Maybe I can help. This is a hole in the ground, that is your . . . Didn't think you could tell the difference! "
AAAAANDRE wrote on Jan 9, 2008 2:04 PM:
If you continued your "research" a bit further you would find that...
The Ron Paul as "racist" stuff is just a last minute smear job by his opponents who fear his message will end their gravy train.
The NY Times blog did a "Cut and Paste" job of some allegations, after getting beat down they retracted the story
Other articles debunking other charges (rumors, innuendo, speculation)...
Ron Paul No Racist...
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=51578
Ron Paul Race Smear Erased...
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=41822
NOT Isolationist... "Non-INTERVENTIONIST"
Minding our own business while engageing all counties in trade and tourism. Not trying to overthrow and undermine their governments.
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bigjon1955 wrote on Jan 9, 2008 3:17 PM:
Ron Paul is a Racist wrote on Jan 9, 2008 3:19 PM:
sue wrote on Jan 9, 2008 4:16 PM:
our constitution to the fullest intent of our
forefathers. "
Vinny wrote on Jan 9, 2008 5:03 PM:
iri4q2 wrote on Jan 9, 2008 6:17 PM:
Mario wrote on Jan 9, 2008 7:18 PM:
ebmfck wrote on Jan 9, 2008 9:54 PM:
Old Tom wrote on Jan 9, 2008 10:49 PM:
Justin A. wrote on Jan 9, 2008 11:44 PM:
Scott in Cody wrote on Jan 10, 2008 1:56 AM:
But I'm not buying it. I think Eli Bebout won in 2002 and Ray Hunkins in 2006 because that's who I voted for. I'm just wondering why Eli Bebout didn't seek a second term. It wouldn't have been near as much an uphill battle getting him re-elected than having to start fresh with Ray Hunkins. "
vilyn wrote on Jan 10, 2008 8:26 AM:
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We don't get our rights because we're gays or women or minorities. We get our rights from our Creator as individuals. So every individual should be treated the same way. - Dr. Ron Paul- "
TomHandsomenetti wrote on Jan 10, 2008 9:33 AM:
By the way, do your research. Ron Paul associates with well-known racists. Viisit www.stormfront.org. Both Jamey O'Neal and Don Black are big supporters along with Cindy Sheehan. Ron Paul isn't a real candidate. He runs for President because it makes money for his fundraising operation. WAKE UP SIMPLETONS!
http://texasfred.net/archives/866 "
Falcon wrote on Jan 10, 2008 9:33 AM:
Gov. Freudenthal got elected because many Republicans, such as myself, simply couldn't stand the Republican candidates the last two election cycles. That combined with the faction who like having a split congress and executive branch in Wyoming doomed them.
Congresswoman Cubin faced the same situation. I'm a Republican, but I know my ABC's - "Anybody But Cubin". We were almost successful.
I don't believe there were any technical irregularities in the process that got Mitt Romney the most delegates this time either. I simply think it is seriously outdated and that a primary where each registered party member could select candidates for their party at all levels with the top 5 statewide moving on to the primary would be better, although more expensive.
I agree with ebmfck that if the process stays the same, the precinct people need to put more effort into their job or the party itself needs to get involved by mailing out reminders to the registered Republican voters when important events are scheduled. "
Honcho wrote on Jan 10, 2008 11:46 AM:
Scott in Cody wrote on Jan 10, 2008 1:19 PM:
The county conventions, which this article is about, was January 5th. The GOP County conventions have been a state-wide news topic off and on for many months (especially int he days leading up to it), beginning with the WYGOP decision to match New Hampshire's date. When New Hampshire drug their feet on selecting a date, WYGOP chose Jan. 5, at the time making Wyoming Republicans first in line in the nomination process.
A couple months or so down the line, Iowa chose to caucus Jan. 3. However, it needs to be noted (and the media rarely do) that Iowa's caucuses are not binding on delegate selection. Neither are Wyoming's caucuses. Iowa will have county conventions and a state convention to choose their delegates just like WYGOP did on the county level last Saturday and will do on the state level in May. "
Sugar wrote on Jan 10, 2008 1:19 PM:
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Wy_oldtimer wrote on Jan 10, 2008 2:12 PM:
So much for Wyoming “Wowing” the nation with an early political caucus.
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Shepard wrote on Jan 10, 2008 4:30 PM:
Joel in Lander wrote on Jan 10, 2008 4:40 PM:
" AAAANDRE, sorry to burst your bubble man, someone went through the stuff Ron Paul was peddling since 1978 under his own name and found a lot of racist stuff. Read it here: http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720-ac15-4532a7da84ca "
Sorry R.P. I. A. Racist, but the piece you linked is from the socialist New Republic, and the best the reporter could come up with after digging through 20+ years of newsletters linked to D. Paul was some innuendo. I wasn't impressed.
To say that criticism of Lincoln is racist is a real stretch, since Lincoln's plan was to deport the blacks, and he was a racist as they come. See http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo138.html
I worked as a grasroots supporter for Dr. Paul in Fremont county, and attended the precinct caucuses as well as the county convention. There was time to tell jokes, but I wasn't able to speak. Issues were avoided. The national delegate selected from our county did not know his candidates's position on gun rights when asked informally after he had won the election.
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flounder wrote on Jan 10, 2008 9:03 PM:
John wrote on Jan 11, 2008 9:45 AM:
Woody wrote on Jan 11, 2008 1:05 PM:
parties have fallen in love with power vacated by us the people.Not enough people are exercising thier political rights & power thus big business & currupt politics run the show. Woody "
Lou wrote on Jan 14, 2008 11:35 AM:
flounder wrote on Jan 15, 2008 4:28 AM:
Doug wrote on Jan 15, 2008 4:43 AM:
It is die hard Conservatives like you who have given us two terms of the most inept President in this country's history. When George W. took office this country had a economic surplus, we no have a multi-trillion dollar deficet. You say George W. inherited our present economic woes, bull, you would think with close to eight years in office he would have a handle on things, or maybe we are expecting too much of the village idiot. "
Jim wrote on Jan 15, 2008 6:04 PM:
And John Wyoming has more republican delegates than New Hampshire. "
Wy_oldtimer wrote on Jan 29, 2008 9:42 AM:
Oligopolies have been around as long as commerce has. The term denotes a situation where there are few sellers for a product or service. The members of an oligopoly change the nature of a free market. While they can't dictate price and availability like a monopoly can, they often turn into friendly competitors, since it is in all the members' interest to maintain a stable market and profitable prices.
The new oligopoly is made up of multinational corporations that have chosen specific product or service categories to dominate. In each category, over time, only two to four major players prosper. Starting a new company in that market segment is difficult, and the few that do succeed are often gobbled up or run out of business by the oligopolies.
Few multinationals aspire to be monopolies. Monopolies attract government regulation and consumer anger (just ask Microsoft). Small oligopolies (such as Coke, Pepsi, and Cadbury-Schweppes) make plenty of money and avoid the constant attention of the regulators. "
wy old fogie wrote on Jan 30, 2008 6:27 PM:
30 year Wyoming-ite wrote on Feb 5, 2008 11:02 AM:
"Mormons swear an oath of allegiance to their church (leadership) during their temple ceremony, called "the Law of Consecration."
Where in the world did you get that definition of the Law of Consecration? This law states that "we each dedicate our time, our efforts, and our resources to helping others."
-from a Mormon who does NOT believe I'll be a god of my own planet (for Wy old Fogie's benefit.) We are taught that we have the (listen carefully) POTENTIAL to become "like God" meaning that we strive for perfection. And yes, we know that perfection cannot be reached in mortal life, but we do believe in Heaven & Hell, and life after death, and always striving to be better people. "
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