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LANDER -- Once wolves are removed from the federal Endangered Species Act, those living in northwest Wyoming will be hunted and managed similar to the way bears and mountain lions are, if two regulations drafted by the Wyoming Game and Fish Department are adopted.

One of the new rules, and the most controversial, would loosen restrictions on killing wolves in the northwest quadrant of the state -- where most of an estimated 360 in-state wolves live -- and designate them as trophy game animals.

Wyoming's wolf management plan, approved by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Dec. 15, would classify wolves outside the northwest portion of the state as predators, like coyotes. People could kill wolves in those regions without a license and without limits, as long as they report the kills.

The second rule would allow landowners to be compensated for damage caused by wolves -- the same way people are now compensated for damage caused by bears and mountain lions.

If gray wolves are removed from the Endangered Species Act on Feb. 28 as planned, Wyoming will take over in-state management of the predator at the end of March, barring legal challenges to the process.

People throughout Wyoming will have a chance this week to attend presentations on the proposed regulation changes. The Game and Fish Department will host a series of meetings today through Thursday.

Game and Fish has invited all agencies, groups and interested citizens to attend the meetings.

"At these meetings we will not be setting hunting seasons," said Eric Keszler, spokesman for the Game and Fish Department. "If everything goes according to plan, and if wolves are delisted, and the process isn't delayed by legal challenges, we will set wolf seasons at our regular season-setting meeting this spring."

People who want to comment on wolf hunting season, or on bag limits, will also be able submit their concerns this spring, Keszler said, as long as the delisting process continues undelayed.

An ongoing controversy

Wyoming's wolf management plan has been a consistent point of controversy throughout its development, and the new proposed regulations are stirring up familiar debates about the subject.

What some people see as a step in the right direction, others see as reprehensible.

Under the proposal, livestock owners could get a state permit to kill wolves if they have repeatedly "harassed, injured, maimed or killed livestock or domesticated animals."

Jim Magagna, executive vice president of the Wyoming Stock Growers Association, said his group is pleased, overall, with the wolf plan, and is happy with the new proposed regulations.

The stock growers support the intent behind the rules, he said, and will suggest only a few minor clarifications in the language.

"It would allow us to protect our livestock and other animals. And fish and game can take action to protect wildlife herds that are being disproportionately (killed off by wolves)," Magagna said. "What's going to be critical will be getting the funding for wolf management. Hopefully the Legislature will appropriate that."

Franz Camenzind, a biologist and director of the Jackson Hole Conservation Alliance, said his group is troubled by the proposed rules, especially with some of the language in a chapter that would designate wolves in the northwest as trophy game animals and loosen restrictions on killing them.

"One of the things that we're concerned with ... is the use of lethal control as it applies to big game animals, and specifically elk on our elk feedgrounds," Camenzind said. "We feel that the language is too broad and will allow for too many wolves to be killed without hard scientific basis."

Camenzind said he can envision a scenario under the new rule where wolves from the five wolf packs operating around the Jackson Hole and Grand Teton National Park area could be killed by the state, simply for hunting on the state-run elk feedgrounds near Jackson Hole and disrupting the state's feeding program.

"The wolves will routinely visit these elk feedgrounds because that's where the elk population is artificially concentrated," he said. "We don't think wolves going to feedgrounds should constitute a death sentence; they're only doing what's natural."

What's unnatural, Camenzind said, is having feedgrounds in the first place. Under normal conditions the elk would be scattered across 100,000 acres of winter range in small groups, he said.

The new rule would loosen restrictions on killing wolves that are causing "unacceptable impacts" on ungulate herds. The problem with such a rule is that the definition of an "unacceptable impact" is completely subjective, Camenzind said.

"There is no scientific evidence that wolves have particularly impacted the wildlife herds. Most of the elk herds in the state are at or above the objectives (established by the state)," he said.

And while herd numbers will vary from year to year, biologists generally believe that wolf predation is beneficial to ungulate herds in the long term, because it keeps the prey animals fitter, he said.

While his group understands Game and Fish is simply trying to implement rules the state Legislature directed it to create, Camenzind said he believes the lawmakers' leadership on this matter is misguided and not supported by science.


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disgusted wrote on Jan 21, 2008 6:24 AM:

" I suspect Camenzind would like wolf control limited to the 5th Saturday to the 13th month in even years.
On the whole the word of these people is worth less than nothing. "

Dean wrote on Jan 21, 2008 6:26 AM:

" Environmentalists complained that the elk weren't being taken care of, so the feedgrounds were established. Now Franz says is questioning why we have the feedgrounds. The wolves will find food, be it moose, elk, deer, or antelope if they have to. I think this proposal is a step in the right direction. "

N8 wrote on Jan 21, 2008 8:40 AM:

" And so it begins, the endless lawsuits filed by out of state enviromental hacks to stop us from managing the vermin they loosed upon us. "

mind boggled wrote on Jan 21, 2008 10:36 AM:

" Franz, you only forgot that your fantasy nature land could only work if we removed the town of Jackson. The elk are fed in large part because you and countless Bostonians live on the elk's native winter range. Maybe it would be more natural if you and your contributors moved. "

OLD West wrote on Jan 21, 2008 10:47 AM:

" I love how the Star Tribunal hands over almost if not fully half this article to Franz Camenzind and the eco-faction.
I also love the Stockgrower versus Wolfie format without any other discussion.
That said, I think Wyoming has shown by far the most backbone on this issue, and because it has, will be best off regarding wolf issues for the foreseeable future.
Good luck Cowboys, and happy hunting. "

Ab wrote on Jan 21, 2008 11:14 AM:

" Due to comments like that above no wonder there is going to be a lawsuit. Facing a recession and a half a trillion dollar war and you people are bitching about wolves. Grow a pair and get a life. "

joe wrote on Jan 21, 2008 11:18 AM:

" People, what he is saying isn't too far off. Do you want to be able to hunt wolves in WY or do you want the elk feedground personnel to kill about 90% of them? Where do you think almost all the wolves go once the hay wagons are out? "

alsodisgusted wrote on Jan 21, 2008 11:22 AM:

" the main problem I see is that the wolves will be another reason for ranchers to extort money from game and fish for "damages" from native animals that they should expect to deal with as an occupational hazard. These ranchers won't allow hunting or trapping anymore because they don't need to, game and fish will pay them anytime a deer eats grass or a lion eats a lamb. I would be happy if I was Jim Magagna too. "

BornInTheUSA wrote on Jan 21, 2008 1:20 PM:

" Well, this puts to rest the notion that hunters only kill for food and eat what they kill.

Unless of course Goober has a nice recipe for Wolf Stroganoff.

Pathetic.

"

cant believe wrote on Jan 21, 2008 1:32 PM:

" yep here we go:wasting the money we used to bring the wolves back......the ranchers fine.but trophey and hunting? thats just insane. why all the work of only a few to just be shot up and back endangered again? as for vermin_we have taken up their land NOT them on us, just keep pushing growth of places not needed and they will have nowhere to live then everyone can quit pouting. If only animals could speak...many deserve an earful from them. Before human butted in elk,moose ect. lived together just fine and none where endangered..think about it. Soon the next will be bear on this forum becoming endangered,and all but peoples fault again.. "

RLA wrote on Jan 21, 2008 6:50 PM:

" Estimated 350? Some one is full of poopoo! Last USF&W count was closer to 500 and WG&F employees say between 500 and 750!

How many elk can 600 wolves eat in one day? Times 360 days? "

hunter wrote on Jan 21, 2008 9:50 PM:

" if you don't believe we should hunt them and get license revenue then get out your money and pay for the management of the wolves "

earthling wrote on Jan 22, 2008 5:34 AM:

" The G&F is only trying to to implement rules the state Legislature directed it to create. That's a state legislature that bowed down to the fear and emotion of the ranching and hunting lobbies of this state. Franz is EXACTLY RIGHT when he says the lawmakers' leadership on this matter is misguided and not supported by science. Although "misguided" isn't the word I'd use. "Bought and paid for" is more like it and tells the true story. "

Lamp Lighter wrote on Jan 22, 2008 7:04 AM:

" How long has this talk been going on? Promises and Promises.......Theres been a lot of nothing going on while Rome burns. I suppose when all the Moose and Elk are gone the wolf will be delisted.............................................Typical do nothing Governmant jobs.........Doesn't it make you wonder who makes the decisions and where they are hiding? "

crazy horse wrote on Jan 22, 2008 8:36 AM:

" Camenzind fails to mention that the 100,000 acres is now condos and golf courses. Time to face up to what rampant development has done to Jackson - the Snake River valley (which used to provide wintering grounds for these elk) has been gobbled up by developers. Get a clue Camenzind! Maybe you could take your dog out and tie it up if you are concerned that the wolves won't have plenty to eat. "

highmarkin wrote on Jan 22, 2008 9:58 AM:

" For all you pro-wolf people,GO SCREW! The lousy government brought these animals to our state without our input or any regard for the turmoil that came with them.Why don't you get off your a---- and get outdoors and see what your beloved animals are doing.The wolves need to be regulated PERIOD.Every creature on earth has to have some balance be it people or wolves.I spend at least 100 days in the field a year and I have seen first hand the effect these animals have had on our wildlife.We have exceeded the established number set by the government for reintroduction and now they want to change the rules as the game goes on.The people of this great state are tired of non-residents telling us how to live and or trying to force their ways on us.If it's so damn good where you came from why are you here.Checks and balances are the key to all things living and if we do not follow that none of us will be enjoying all the wild animals whether you hunt them or just like to observe them with your camera. "

Simple Logic wrote on Jan 22, 2008 11:34 AM:

" Hunting the wolf as a trophy species is a win-win. The population of wolves is managed and the state reaps financial benefits. These new hunting opportunities will bring in additional hunters and with them additional dollars. Would it be better to have to pay state personnel to manage the wolves and reap no additional benefits from this activity? We now have the best of both worlds. "

Tguide wrote on Jan 22, 2008 12:29 PM:

" Eat your heart out earthling! Managment will go forward! Ha! Ha! "

Slim wrote on Jan 22, 2008 1:36 PM:

" Hey Dean, that's some revisionist history right there. The Feedgrounds were started because the ranchers didn't want elk in their haystacks.

Learn your Wyoming history. "

Justin wrote on Jan 22, 2008 3:34 PM:

" I am outraged at the plan for wolves in Wyoming.You people just be sure to let those ranchers know that until I as a consumer can buy wolf friendly beef, and the wolves are let alone,I will never spend another penny on beef or any meat product if I have too.Also, stop putting the demands of trophy hunters above the needs of the animals.This is wrong I can't beleive the double standards in this country of what is and isn't considered animal cruelty.Then again, a nation that is supposed to be a democracy will sell out the average American and the majority of what people want to the highest bidder won't it?This is among reasons why I no longer have any faith in this country and I doubt I ever will get it back.Just know that your plan for delisting wolves in wyoming and everywhere else is wrong! "

Justin wrote on Jan 22, 2008 3:40 PM:

" So rednecks wan't to delist wolves from the endangered species list to kill wolves in mass numbers after enviromentalists and wolf lovers went through so much trouble to bring the species back from the brink of extinction.Even though under normal circumstances wolves do not attack humans or kill without reason, the inbred rednecks still believe in the fairy tales of wolves being demonic creatures.The hick farmers attack wolves over livestock losses even though wolves rarely attack their livestock.The trophy hunting hicks blame wolves for less deer to shoot as trophies even though wolves hunt the deer to survive and trophy hunters who hunt for sake of killing and not for survival, take far more deer than wolves ever will.The trophy hunters think their greed is more important.Now they want to make wolves a target animal for their sick, disgusting, grotesque, morbid, and greusome looking trophies only to have more deer to hunt for the same reasons.Killing to promote killing.That is really sick.The rednecks want to exterminate wolves for their own greed.I say screw that!Since rednecks want to kill canines.Then they can get out of this country and go to China since they want to hurt animals that are related to dogs and screw China too!The rednecks are so much like fashist dictators since they throw a huge fit when they can't have their way.Even when the majority of Americans are against what they wan't.Wolves have the same right to exist on this planet just like everything else does.The whole situation angers me.I say screw the rednecks, ban trophy hunting all together, and save the wolves and wildlife. "

Justin wrote on Jan 22, 2008 3:42 PM:

" I am just letting you know as an American citizen that I am outraged at the delisting plan for wolves.It is rediculus to go through all the trouble to bring a species back just to be hunted again.Its wrong, its disgusting and its not fair!All trophy hunting needs to banned in this country outright!Its animal cruelty!The plan you all have in store for wolves is animal cruelty in so many levels.I am so sick of the double standards in this country concerning what cruelty to animals is and isn't.Wolves in the lower 48 need to be the first animal to be exempt from ever being hunted.period.
"

Justin wrote on Jan 22, 2008 3:54 PM:

" Just be sure to let the ranchers know that until wolves are left alone and exept from ever being hunted, I will never spend another penny on beef or any kind of meat if I have to.All wolf lovers boycott the cattle industry!
"

Justin wrote on Jan 22, 2008 3:56 PM:

" Just be sure to let the ranchers know that until the wolves are left alona and exempt from being hunted, I will not spend another penny on beef or any other meat if I have to.To all wolf lovers, boycott the cattle industry! "

Justin wrote on Jan 22, 2008 3:56 PM:

" Just be sure to let the ranchers know that until the wolves are left alona and exempt from being hunted, I will not spend another penny on beef or any other meat if I have to. "

joe wrote on Jan 23, 2008 8:32 AM:

" justin, wolves were never on the brink of extinction only extirpated from Wy

people like you who don't know anything about the animals give environmentalism a bad name
"

Tguide wrote on Jan 23, 2008 8:51 AM:

" Poor little Justin, sounds like he's blowing a cork! Why don't you take an ambien and get a good nites sleep. "

crazy horse wrote on Jan 23, 2008 8:57 AM:

" Mmmm - Justin had a boo boo on this page as well. "until the wolves are left alona I won't eat bologna" ha ha ha ha. Sounds like Justin is so fired up he is fixing to boycott chicken. Too funny Tguide - where is earthing when you need him (so you can kick more sand on his beach towel)? What say you about this development earthling? "

Justin wrote on Jan 23, 2008 10:44 AM:

" All of you anti wolf morons are nothing but a bunch of worthless, ignorent, inbred, sub human peices of sh**!!! "

Justin wrote on Jan 23, 2008 10:50 AM:

" All of you anti wolf morons are nothing but worthless, ignorent, inbred, sub human, redneck peices of Sh**!!! "

QYB wrote on Jan 23, 2008 12:05 PM:

" Settle down Justin, you are going to have a heart attack. While I am on the subject, you must have sh?t for brains because you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Oh, I have to go, only 1 month left until wolves are classified as predators in my area and I need to get my gun sighted in. I don't want to miss this opportunity! "

Kari wrote on Jan 23, 2008 3:05 PM:

" Justin, We can all read your anger. However, just because you believe a thing to be true, your belief alone does not make it so, no matter how much you vent, insult and embarrass yourself in the process. Learn some respect, dignity and argument skills or your life will be a rough one. Management of the wolf via hunting as a trophy species is the way to go and we are indeed going there. It is the best plan for all concerned. Your tantrum changes nothing, except that now all have a lesser opinion of you. "

highmarkin wrote on Jan 23, 2008 6:47 PM:

" I might be a dumb red neck but I can spell ignorant you babbling DOPE.Right on QYB my best friend just had a few of them in his pasture in the Kendall Valley and I surely will take the invite to do my part for my state.Justin nobody really cares what you have to say based on your uneducated,vulgar display of pathetic ignorance.Do yourself a favor and get back in the closet.Who cares if you never eat beef again. You sound like you like the kind that is cylinder shaped and has a couple of odd shaped neighbors. "

What the ? wrote on Jan 24, 2008 11:17 AM:

" It's amazing to me which submissions get posted and which don't. What exactly is the criteria here, editor? Do you have to be a profane nutjob like Justin to get a comment posted?? Evidently . . . "

slim wrote on Jan 24, 2008 11:39 AM:

" looks like the crazies are out in force on both sides...again. "

Vivian wrote on Jan 24, 2008 2:15 PM:

" Well now we all can read the pro-wolf'ers true intellect and substance in Justin's many blogs. I am highly satisfied to see that we are facing temperamental churls and not educated adults. Let's now move on with a sound, and economically smart management plan that includes hunting the wolf as a trophy species. "

Justin wrote on Jan 24, 2008 3:34 PM:

" Don't you rednecks have a clan meeting to go to? Wolves were reintruduced because the majority of Americans wanted it. Wolves will also remain protected because the majority of Americans want it that way.Its not all about a few ignorent and shallow individuals such as yourselves.I also guerantee sometime in this century, trophy hunting will be banned altogether aswell because thats the way the majority of Americans would prefer it.Besides, trophy hunting is for anyone who is disturbed and sadistic and is probably compensating for a lack of something.Plus, anyone who decorates their homes with dead animal corpses is just a few steps short of being like Jeffery Dahmer in my opinion.It is obvious none of you know how things in this country work. The majority of Americans are pro wolf and you people are not going to get your way because we will do everything in our power to stop you.I hate to give all of you a reality check and pull your heads out of your rear ends, but thats how it is.By the way, I'm so dumb I am getting a college education studying law and politics.You people just caught me in a bad mood thats all.Among the causes I will devote my life to after college, will be defending wolves.All the things you people say about wolves is a crock and the majority of people in this country know it.If you poeple don't like it, then get out this country and move to a country that doesn't have wolves and where wolves are not a native species.Modern America doesn't wan't you people in it anyway.You people can go ahead and get mad and attack me for my beleifs all you want but I know what the truth is and I will not apologize for standing up for wolves and wildlife.That is because I know for a fact just how disgusting,corrupt,cruel,and inhumane cowboys are over their own personal greed.Farmers and ranchers feed America, they will never go under because of demand no matter what wild animal neighbors them.Dee Dee Dee!So live and let live.I know for a fact that wolves are not what ranchers or you ignorent people try to make them out to be because I had a wolf hybrid as a pet when I was a teenager.I had a great grandfather who rescued a wolf pup from ignorent people such as yourselves, and raised it.That wolf was his favorite animal companion.I have also studied about wolves from every book and article I could find.I have books that go as far back as the 1950s when scientists began studying wolves and people started fighting to protect them,I also volunteer at a wolf rescue and sanctuary to escape where I have to live so you will never brainwash me from what I already know is the truth.I will not quietly let something I love be destroyed over greed.This might strike a nerve with the ranching industry but I am going to say it anyway.As a consumer, I get a choice whether or not tuna is dolphin safe but not whether or not my steak is wolf, bear, or cougar safe?Thats not cool! Anyway, I don't care what some greedy ranchers or morons like you people think! I will fight for wolves and wildlife and any other passion that I have until I am put in the ground. "

Justin wrote on Jan 24, 2008 3:40 PM:

" By the way, to all of you anti wolf people....SCREW YOU!!! "

earthling wrote on Jan 25, 2008 6:00 AM:

" Hello crazy horse. I say you wolf haters are crowing a lot too soon and can't see too far down the road. It won't be long before all these great white hunters have so decimated the wolf population that the species will be listed again. If anyone believes that all wolf kills will be legitimate AND reported within 10 days, then they must be members of the hunter/rancher beholding Wyoming legislature. I think it will probably take about 2 years and the wolf will be listed as endangered again. The best part is that after this delisting and management by the states fiasco, there's no way the feds will let the states manage wolves again. Responsible balance in the watershed will just take a little longer, that's all. "

Liz wrote on Jan 25, 2008 7:29 AM:

" Who's paying for the compensation to ranchers for the "damage" caused by wolves. Is it Federal money or Wyoming money? If the compensation comes from the Federal government, then I do have a right to express my displeasure with this proposal even though I'm a tree hugger from NJ. "

zach wrote on Jan 25, 2008 7:24 PM:

" wow, Justin you need to calm yourself buddy, I don't necessarily agree with these proposals, but to call a group of people rednecks and throw out profanities and other forms of unchannelled anger is out of line. Sure delisting might not be the best thing for wolves right now, and it probably is humans who are at fault for wolves being in this situation, but these "facist dictators" are only trying to earn a modest living. I'm sure that having a wolf roaming around your place of work would help you earn a living too. You hurt the pro-wolf argument with your statements. i don't think that wolves are ready for complete delisting and i think that our current proposal will only land the wolves back on the endangered species list in a short time. i also believe that it is important for farmers and ranchers to be able to keep their herds, their livelihoods, safe and secure. I've lived in Wyoming my entire life and I believe that the status quo with wolves isn't working, but i also believe that this proposed plan is not going to fix the problem. "

Tguide wrote on Jan 25, 2008 10:40 PM:

" Sorry Justin, but, you loose! Wolves will be managed and they will be managed according to a plan that will work. And earthling, its good to here you again. At least your conceding the fact that this plan will go forward....except your going to be disappointed, because it will work. We will have wolves, and hunting, and livestock production! Great..... isn't it? "

crazy horse wrote on Jan 26, 2008 11:06 AM:

" Hello earthling - I was starting to worry that you were posting under "Justin" there for a minute. This is simply the unfortunate and inevitable result of introduction. As you are well aware by now, USDA WS is shooting wolves as fast as they can reload and it has had no negative impact on the population. Really - does it matter who is shooting them? Justin needs to take his ritalin. "

crazy horse wrote on Jan 26, 2008 11:47 AM:

" What everyone on the pro wolf side is ignoring here is that USDA WS is killing wolves by the scores on an ongoing basis! Now they are all alarmed that with wolves being delisted wolves are going to be shot. The are ALLREADY being shot, by USDA WS in conjunction with FWS. Get a clue people! Does it really make any difference WHO is shooting them? Oh, and I think you meant beholden earthing. "

RLA wrote on Jan 26, 2008 9:05 PM:

" Justin, Heath Ledger is dead, and Broke Back didn't win the academy! GET OVER IT! "

cant believe wrote on Jan 26, 2008 9:50 PM:

" I bet not a one who posted here truley cares about the environment or the wolves. just typing to waste time .I went to school to train for this area and i know none of you knows or cares about what is happening your just rambleing on. You really need to think of life in general ,how not only is it wolves that are a problem. What is everyone going to gripe about next? oh gee maybe elk are eating your livestock?????????Get a real understanding then post something that is important. True ranchers made pretty easy back in the days before gov. got involved, but those ranchers used thier heads unlike people today. "

aknext wrote on Jan 27, 2008 8:30 AM:

" The Wyoming wolf proposal is as flawed as the reintroduction of wolves.It puts all the pressure of the reintro on the Northwestern game and livestock communities.Those in the rest of the state wether livestock producers or outfitters,hunters or just normal folks didn't seem to mind the wolves headed to Yellowstone in the first place nearly as they should have!! The majority of the people that are supposely in favor of wolves really aren't for or against because they are not affected one way or another. Its not really a wolf's fault for eating My Cow as that is what makes him able to survive, however it is the fault of those that supported putting an animal into a situation that was going to get him killed for absolutely no sound enviromental reason!! The only fair reintroduction humanwise would be a scattering of Wolves and Grizzlies all across the land wether they were there or not, but still this has no envirmental soundess as neither species are in iminate peril of extinction! Wolf advocates got him introduced and the rest of the world doesn't mind his presence as long as hes not eating their Grandma. After all this is a Fairy Tale gone BAD!!?? "

Big Horn Basin wrote on Jan 27, 2008 3:33 PM:

" Justin: Unfortunately, the "majority of Americans" don't live in Wyoming (we are the least populated state in the U.S.), Idaho or Montana so in reality, we got the wolves shoved down our throats wether we liked it or not. If the Majority wanted wolves so bad, why didn't they release them over their entire historical range? Do you have a reasonable answer to that question? The USFWS has been blowing sunshine up our a***s since before the re-introduction. USFWS stated wolves were not in Wyoming, and if evidence to the contrary could be presented the re-introduction would not take place. Wolves were present in Wyoming. If you dont believe that, then why did they try to prosecute the gentleman from Worland for killing a wolf (and that animal clinicaly tested and was genetically pure) when they said the species did not exist here? Because they have an agenday, just like you. By the way, I'll be sighting in my rifle because I live in the wolf free zone. "

earthling wrote on Jan 28, 2008 3:32 AM:

" Justin is passionate about the subject crazy horse, but to think I was he? C'mon man, why you gotta dis me like that?. I stand corrected on the spelling. Thank you. But that's all. Yes, it does matter who does the shooting. When you get a bunch of beer-bellied former football jocks who now live paycheck-to-paycheck in a manual labor job out there thinking they're helping out agriculture and the wildlife herds by blasting away at any large canine they see, that's where the problem will be. Just reading the comments from some of the jokers posting here proves the point. It's not a stretch to see that when this state fills the forests with a bunch of losers having permission to shoot wolves that there will be "buck fever" and a lot more wolves than necessary will be shot. It's going to be another way for them to prove their manhood and give them something else to brag about in bars. Like I said, it won't be long before the wolf is listed again. Wyoming's special interest loving legislature just ruined any chance this state will ever have at managing a keystone species. "

Dennis wrote on Jan 28, 2008 8:30 AM:

" People like Justin are ensuring only one thing, that no one will actually listen to their offered argument, were there to be some rational to it. He is doing more to damage the pro-wolf movement than he and his ilk are doing for it. "

save the wolves and the ranchers wrote on Jan 28, 2008 10:14 PM:

" Unfortunately, this wolf program has been grossly mismanaged. There was no "scientific" plan and the animals were domesticated, hand-fed by humans and then thrown out into the wilderness where the only method of survival includes preying on elk, deer calves and now, stalking school children. There have been over 100 DOCUMENTED incidents in North America resulting in human death. When is it going to stop. No one is winning here. The wolves are starving, suffering from mange and are breeding like rabbits, overpopulating a habitat not meant to sustain them.. No one seemed to take into account what would happen ----- unless, it is just another way to grab land away from rural folk. I say, save the wolves by leaving them where they came from. Save the ranchers and farmers who work to support their families and keep our food supplies. Take a look at the master plan for America as seen in the UN Wildlands Project - the wolf "path" exactly matches the wilderness master plan. So - we'll all be living in cramped apartments in sustainable communities, riding buses (because gas will be too expensive), eating processed food (because we can't grow our own) and the wolves will be struggling to survive. Some plan. "

s dawn wrote on Feb 10, 2008 3:24 PM:

" wow. this is one hot topic. I do have to day that there are threads of intelligence through here, thank you. However, there are lots of false facts listed. Please do what you can to educate yourself on such a subject. Where do you get your info from? Think about who is producing the information- it matters. Try to get some academia info if you ca, it should be the most fair, relevant, and educational. Otherwise this is going to continue to be a political *econuclear* war. You remember War Games (80's flick)= no one will "win". Please keep up the conversation- not bashing. "

bogus wrote on Mar 13, 2008 3:27 PM:

" Quote: "Ranchers to extort money from game and fish"

What a joke... you truly have delusions of reality.

Here is a quote from the WY regulations. Chapter 28, Section 5, Paragraph a: "A landowner shall not be eligible to receive an award for damage caused by big game animals, trophy game animals, or game birds unless the landowner has permitted hunting during authorized hunting seasons for the species for which the verified claim has been filed on his privately owned or leased land"

If anything this is extortion on the part of the WY G&F. I.e. landowners will not be compensated unless they allow hunting on their land.
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Justin, I have to say you are truly open minded. Make an attempt to try to understand both sides of an issue and everything.

Quote: "after enviromentalists and wolf lovers went through so much trouble to bring the species back from the brink of extinction"

Why didn't the same people push to have them brought back you their back yard. Or how about Alaska where it is less populated.

BTW when was the last time you purchased at conservation stamp from the WY G&F to help pay for the wolf program? Ever make a donation to them?

Didn't think so. You want something (wolves) but aren't willing to help pay for it. "

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