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LANDER -- Wyoming is receiving a great deal of scorn from wolf advocates throughout the United States, and even overseas, but state officials said Wednesday that most of the non-local critics don't have their facts straight about the state's wolf management plan.

And even though some people in places as far afield as California and Vermont are encouraging travelers and consumers to boycott the Cowboy State -- because they disagree with its "shoot-on-sight" zone for wolves -- it appears that interest in traveling to Wyoming is actually on the rise, one official with the Wyoming tourism office said Wednesday.

Gov. Dave Freudenthal's office received more than 800 phone calls Tuesday and Wednesday from members and supporters of Defenders of Wildlife, a Washington, D.C.-based conservation organization. The group urged people via mailings and through its Web site to call and ask the governor to get rid of "the shoot-on-sight policy that is now in effect for nearly 90 percent of the state."

What Defenders of Wildlife calls "talking points," the governor's office calls a "script." And those answering the phones in the State Capitol heard the wording repeated about 85 times an hour Tuesday, and 25 times an hour Wednesday, according to Cara Eastwood, the governor's press secretary.

The governor's office had received almost 850 of these "scripted" calls as of 3 p.m. Wednesday, but only a handful came from Wyomingites, Eastwood said -- two on Tuesday and two or three Wednesday.

Eastwood spent a good portion of her morning helping answer the calls, she said, and she talked to people from Oklahoma, New Hampshire, Chicago and Minnesota, among other places. But the majority of the calls she answered came from California and New York.

"The governor will get a report on every single person who has called, but our constituents are in Wyoming, so he's most concerned about what local people have to say," Eastwood said. "Frankly, the views of people calling from New York or California may vary quite a bit from somebody calling from Dubois. And the concerns of people in this state weigh more heavily than the concerns of people calling from New York and California."

Suzanne Stone, the regional representative for Defenders of Wildlife, said members of her organization have been expressing concern and outrage about Wyoming's management plan since wolves were delisted. Making these phone calls is a way for them to "take direct action on their concerns," she said.

The Cowboy State offers some protection to wolves in the greater Yellowstone area, but the animals can be shot on sight in the rest of the state. Since delisting, 13 wolves have been confirmed killed in Wyoming, all of them in the predator management, or "shoot-on-sight" zone.

"I've had people calling in tears that they are so frustrated about how cruel and senseless these killings are in Wyoming, and they wanted to have something to do to express their concerns," Stone said. "The recent, senseless and indiscriminate wolf killing in Wyoming needs to be exposed. Running down wolves in snow machines and killing these wild animals once they're exhausted is not management, it's brutal."

Defenders of Wildlife is calling on Wyoming to create a more responsible wolf management plan, she said, because it is "the worst in the country."

"It's one of the most bizarre wildlife management plans that I've ever seen," Stone said.

Although Wyoming's plan was approved by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service last year, and wolves were officially removed from protection under the federal Endangered Species Act March 28, a coalition of 12 conservation groups -- including Defenders of Wildlife -- filed suit to overturn that decision Monday.

Stone said her group agrees with the Fish and Wildlife Service's initial assessment of Wyoming's dual status plan for wolves: namely, that it was, and remains, a bad idea.

"The (Fish and Wildlife) Service changed its assessment under political pressure," Stone said. "And our members and supporters are going to continue to express their concerns until somebody listens."

Misunterstood?

The problem with the concerns being expressed, however, is that they're not grounded in facts, state officials said Wednesday.

"Probably a lot of people who are calling (the governor's office) don't have a full understanding of how Wyoming's management plan is intended to work," said Eric Keszler, spokesman for the Wyoming Game and Fish Department. "One of the talking points (assembled by the Defenders of Wildlife) refers to the shoot-on-sight zone in 90 percent of the state. What it doesn't mention is there are very few wolves in that part of state."

More than 90 percent of the state's estimated 360 wolves live in the trophy game zone, Keszler said, in the extreme northwest corner of the state, and those wolves largely cannot be shot without permits under Wyoming's plan.

Although most of the state is considered a "predator management area" for wolves, where they can, indeed, be shot on sight, that area contains only 20 to 30 wolves total, he said.

"I'm not sure that's clearly understood by a lot of the people that are calling in," Keszler said. "Wyoming's plan is going to maintain a recovered population of wolves in northwest Wyoming. We think the current plan is a wise way to manage wolves in this landscape."

As for the recent reports of Internet blogs and letters to the editor calling for a boycott of Wyoming because of its wolf plan, a state official indicated Wednesday that this movement is seeing little, if any, success so far.

"I don't want to underestimate it, but I also don't want to overestimate it," said Diane Shober, director of the Wyoming Office of Tourism. "We have had e-mails and calls from people saying that they would not come to Wyoming, but whether or not anyone has actually canceled a trip because of this, we don't know."

What her office has observed, she said, is that interest in traveling to Wyoming appears to be trending upward at a good clip.

The Wyoming Office of Tourism keeps track of all of the out-of-state inquiries it receives for information on vacation planning for Wyoming, and those inquiries are up 49 percent this year compared to last year, Shober said.

"The interest in traveling here is very strong. Quite honestly, I'm more worried about the price of gas and what that might do to summer traveling," she said.

Environment reporter Chris Merrill can be reached at chris.merrill@trib.com or at (307) 267-6722.




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crazy horse wrote on May 1, 2008 8:30 AM:

" The two or three calls that came from Wyoming were made by people that recently moved here from California or New York. Do these enviro busybodies not realize that people from Wyoming don't give a d### what they think? I say worry about your state and let us worry about ours. Furthermore, it is abundantly clear that they are completely and totally ignorant of the fact that USDA WS, in conjunction with FWS, has been aerial gunning wolves by the score the entire time they were listed as a protected species. "

Dan S. wrote on May 1, 2008 8:46 AM:

" I believe I have a solution for the wolf problem that should make everyone happy. If the people from NY and CA want the wolves so bad then transport all the wolves from Wyo to NY and CA.That way WYO. ranchers won't have to deal with them. Let LA and NY deal with them "

Tguide wrote on May 1, 2008 8:48 AM:

" I agree crazy horse, well said! "

Ruffian wrote on May 1, 2008 9:42 AM:

" I'm one of those people, from Nevada, who wrote to the Governor. Over the years, five or more, I have written “many” letters to the Governor, Game and Fish Department, National Park Service and I received only one (1) response, from the Game and Fish Department. The National Parks belong to “ALL” the people and we should and need to have a say in what occurs therein. Wyoming is in the rare position of housing Yellowstone wolves so you make headlines first. I take offense with the notion that I don’t know the facts because "I do". Wyoming’s plan was ”flawed from the beginning” but the fact that it’s in play has nothing to do with the plan or plans of any of the states involved (Idaho, Montana and Colorado). The yellow brick road leads back to Dirk Kempthorne, Secretary of the Interior, George Bush, President, V.P. Cheney, and quite a few other people – it amounts to pay back time. Putting politics aside, my one true love is wolves, I’m absolutely and completely passionate about them. If you have ever touched a wolf, looked into their eyes you might, just might understand where I’m coming from. Of course, this encounter was not in the wild but in a sanctuary and I do
believe it was one of my greatest experiences and I’ve had many over a lot of years. I believe in life not death and all creatures big and small and “yes” I’m fearful that with “flawed policies” the wolves are in real trouble. I see a lack of caring on the part of many Americans for this country’s icons which I consider to be the wild horses, bison (again, Yellowstone bison) another sickening story of “killing” for no good reason, and wolves.
I’m disheartened Americans don’t seem to take a real interest in the treasures of this country. I have visited National Parks wherein the majority of visitors have been foreigners, mainly Europeans, and they are more interested than we Americans. In visiting Europe’s zoos and wildlife areas I find I’m “the lone wolf”. I find too that Europe is doing more for conservation than we are – something to think about.



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Ron wrote on May 1, 2008 9:50 AM:

" I agree with what crazy horse, Dan S. and Tguide, said!

If the AR kooks from Spew York and Californicate want wolves so bad, instead of filing lawsuits, they should be out here getting permission to dart them with tranquilizers and transport them back home so their children can play with their new forest friends. "

Franny wrote on May 1, 2008 10:24 AM:

" It is intersting that those outside this state think that they can dictate our quality of life based on their wishes.

I have to wonder if we mounted a campaign against the quality of life outside of Wyoming if they'd feel the same way that we do?

Perhaps these self appointed do-gooders should clean up their own back yard and learn to mind their own business? "

Off their rockers wrote on May 1, 2008 10:26 AM:

" Maybe these folks should worry about human rights (yes, people) in Africa, Eastern Europe, Asia or the Middle East. "

Jim wrote on May 1, 2008 11:34 AM:

" The National Parks are off limits to hunting first of all, and the majority of the Shoshone and Bridger-Teton National Forests are part of the trophy zone.

That's great that you believe in life and not death, but death is a reality. In fact wolves like many other animals can not survive without death, they are carnivores.

Don't tell me that I don't value the environment. I've spent a lot of time in the Absarokas and Beartooths and I thank the Lord that I have had the opportunity to experience his wonders. However if we don't manage the wolf population, they will over populate and then when the elk herds are devastated they will either move on or starve. "

Jim wrote on May 1, 2008 11:44 AM:

" If the majority of visitors to the parks are European, do you know that would mean that Wyoming enjoyed the presence of over 1.5 million foreigners. This is based on the 2007 attendance of 3.15 million visitors to YNP. While foreigners do come to visit our National Parks, an American idea by the way, I seriously doubt the majority are foreigners. "

WYOMAN wrote on May 1, 2008 12:36 PM:

" Hang tough Gov. Dave Freudenthal.

If it were up to SOME people/groups every house in Wyoming would have a "wolfie" door so that the wolves could come inside and share our meals with us. "

wolfhunter wrote on May 1, 2008 12:49 PM:

" Ruffian,I have touched a wolf, I share you love for rubbing on the pelt of the great wolf....................Only this wolf was dead.........YOU"RE A FREAK and completely lost to reality. You idolize an animal that you do not understand. God help us if we left management up to people like you....Keep in mind while your writing a check to some organization to re-list the wolves. Management will continue regardless. Wildlife services can kill more wolves faster and more effectively than I can dream of with their airplane. It comes down to HABITAT.....HABITAT.....HABITAT! We in wyoming have SOME Habitat but not enough to support more than 12 breading pairs.

GOOD JOB GOVERNOR FREDENTHAL WYOMING IS BEHIND YOU STRONG!! "

BELLSTOWN wrote on May 1, 2008 1:05 PM:

" I live in Wyoming and only once did I see wolves outside of YNP (what is now the shoot-on-sight zone).
According to Eric Keszler "Although most of the state is considered a "predator management area" for wolves, where they can, indeed, be shot on sight, that area contains only 20 to 30 wolves total."
If that were true, how come more than 34 wolves have already been shot? Some of them for revenge, rather then to protect lifestock. I was hoping WY's wolf management plan would work better than that, with ranchers using common sense to just control the problem wolves, and not just chase innocent wolves around on snowmobiles to then shoot them cruelly, for no reason whatsoever. So far, the rednecks have proofed the plan wrong, and if this senseless killing continuous, then that will just benefit the environmentalists with their lawsuit to re-list the wolves. The control that G&F gained will be lost to Washington again, is that really what y'all want? I would like to hear some reasonable solutions, not the BS about "shipping them to NY", get real, Wyoming! "

LaramieResident wrote on May 1, 2008 3:20 PM:

" To Ruffian:

You are correct that the National Parks belong to "ALL" of the people, however what you are concerning yourself with is the policy outside of the Park, in a state which you do not reside in. Hunting is not allowed in Yellowstone or GTNP, PERIOD. While I am not completely convinced that our policy is perfect, I agree with the Gov in not worrying about what outsiders think. I wish Wyoming's politicians would take this mentality more often and begin working to allow Wyoming residents priority when recreating in Wyoming's public lands, not outsider tourists. Increase non-resident fees by tenfold. "

Ethel wrote on May 1, 2008 3:22 PM:

" Sadly, like most hippie enviro groups these people are picking and choosing the tid-bits of information they elect to accept as fact, and share with others via the media.

This is a misinformation campaign of the worst type.

More over, these medllers have nothing at stake in the argument. We in Wyoming are the ones with something to lose.

How is this ethical and why would anyone with real knowledge of this matter ever listen to them? "

dude wrote on May 1, 2008 3:22 PM:

" ruffian, if the europeans are so enlightend, why is there so little wolf habitat there? Maybe you should live there? "

Yeehaw wrote on May 1, 2008 3:50 PM:

" Gud fer you gevernour dayve. I lyke to shot the wooves it is kool to shot things and anymals yeh i like to shot them Pappy sez if i qut drinkying or maybe dont driyk so much he ell let me hav tha kez to the snowmobyle so i can go shot the wolfs yay "

Pete wrote on May 1, 2008 3:52 PM:

" There are enough grizzlies and wolves in the park, not to mention how many exist in the great white north. Hunting and camping and hiking around grizzlies is no fun, and I'm sick of the impact wolves are having on the elk and moose population. If you want to see a sickening sight, check out photos of a wolf killing a moose or elk. Also I consider the elk here for me to eat, and since I'm on top of the food chain, that's tough for the wolf. "

Rednecks-R-Us wrote on May 1, 2008 4:20 PM:

" Yes indeed, yay Gov. Dave! You really stood up to the feds (knelt down before the cattle industry) again! Your wolf management (slaughter) plan should be held up as a (laughing stock) example for wildlife conservation everywhere! I don’t live in Wyoming (thank God) but I live near (enough to hear the screams of “shoot shovel and shutup!”) and really admire (pity) your great state’s (completely irrational, 19th Century) approach to this and other ecological issues. Now finally, besides unusually high rates of substance abuse and suicide, Wyoming has something to be proud of! Just a suggestion, Dave: How’s about changing the state animal to an obese, feedground-fattened elk named “Brucey Losis,” the state song to “dueling banjos” (punctuated with sound effects of rifle fire and beer tops popping) and the state motto to “Lead: The best solution to all of Nature’s problems.” Oh, and while you’re at it, send some more of that CBM-contaminated water the border. Thanks again, Dave. Wow, you’re my hero. "

vicki wrote on May 1, 2008 4:38 PM:

" This is not about the state, it is about a NATIONAL resource. Furthermore, this is a one sided misrepresentation of what is signifigant, scripted or not, those people cared enough to call.
The problem is Wyoming's slanted portrayal of what is really going on, and the manipulation of information that yher are giving out.
If you are really worried about wolves leaving Wyoming, tell the state to make the predator zone such that wolves can get out of WY. The plan they have now prevents that.
You should realize, Wyoming is not a country or an island. It exists as part of a union...that makes it as much a right of others to say what goes on, as those who live in the state. "

WyoWolfHunter wrote on May 1, 2008 5:19 PM:

" To Bellstown:
Since you are from Wyoming ypu should at least get your facts straight before you condem your own state for killing wolves. The 34 wolves you mentioned being killed were in the three state region of Wyoming, Idaho and Montana. Wyoming is only responsible for 13 of those deaths. Idaho is responsible for 17 deaths which is obviously more than Wyoming and they do not have a so called "Predator" shoot on sight area.
You also fail to recognize the fact that even if Wyoming did not have control of wolves the USFWS was on track to kill over 80 wolves in Wyoming this year due to depredation, and most of these kills would have occured in the Predator area. You also fail to recognize that the wolves that were being killed by the USFWS were done so by using snowmachines, helicopters, and airplanes.
So since management will likely return to the USFWS, I shall expect even stronger comments from every wolf loving fanatic directed at the USFWS for not only killing large amounts of wolves but also killing all of them by using means that you say is unethical. "

Steve C wrote on May 1, 2008 5:30 PM:

" You hillbillies make me sick. Maybe if you all stopped whining, and crying for 5 minutes you could organize politically, contact politicians and get things changed the way you want. I don't think you will get many followers you are all so backwards... "

Willy wrote on May 1, 2008 6:50 PM:

" Gee Redneck R US, you're quite the un- informed jerk.
First of all, the USFW scientists agreed to Wyoming's wolf management plan. And I think they have a little more information at their disposal than you do. The wolf plan not perfect but a good working compromise. The best wolf habitat (i.e., YNP, GTNP, and surrounding wilderness areas) was set aside for the wolves, so what's your problem?
Second of all: A lot of cbm water is currently being put to beneficial use in Wyo, so if you live in backwards Montana, go ahead and suffer through your drought.
"

WW wrote on May 1, 2008 7:01 PM:

" You need to read no further than "the majority of the calls she answered came from California and New York." If these idiots want wolves so bad why don't they just request the ones I plan on shooting just as soon as I can get out with the magnum. The fact is they don't want them in their back yard, it's much easier to saddle us with these economic leaches and exterminators of elk, deer, moose, and the family pet. It's nothing a .165 grains at 3200 fps won't cure. SSS
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Over it... wrote on May 1, 2008 9:04 PM:

" Vicki...Are the wolves the only animal you consider to be a NATIONAL resource? What about our Moose, Elk, and yes Grizzly bears? Our Griz population will soon drop due to an overpopulation of wolves. Our Moose are in serious trouble. Our elk will not be far behind. (educate yourself) Those people who called with their carefully scripted sob story are nothing more than sheep incapable of thinking for themselves.
What part of "sound science" and its results do you not understand. I know without a doubt, had the very same science supported your views you would be pounding it down our throat.
Your comment regarding wolves not being able to get out of Wyoming is a joke. It clearly shows how little you know about the wolf.

Yeehaw....Thanks for showing all of us how educated you really are. Can't wait to jump on your short bus.

Ruffian.....The Wyoming wolf plan as it currently stands will NEVER allow the wolf to be eliminated within the state of Wyoming. NEVER! We will be living with them for good.

This plan works. Leave it alone! "

Justin wrote on May 1, 2008 9:14 PM:

" Are all of you anti wolf rednecks from the same trailer park? Finally, to any of my fellow wolf lovers who may read this comment. Save the wolves, boycott beef and Wyoming! "

dude wrote on May 1, 2008 9:35 PM:

" ruffian clearly you and" red necks are us" are misinformed. 34 wolves are for all three states. 17, the most where shot in Idaho.
Rednecks - I guess if all you have is emotional arguments so all you can do is call names? The objective scientists support the wyoming plan. I do however agree on one thing. thank god you don't live here "

Get a Grip of reality wrote on May 1, 2008 9:50 PM:

" Innocent and Senseless killing? A wolf that kills more Elk and Deer than it needs to eat or livestock is senseless killing! All wolf's eat meat, that makes them all problem wolves. They don't just eat mice and rabbits.
A NATIONAL resourse? Wyoming is the state that will pay FOREVER to manage this wild dog. The Feds pay very little!
The predator zone is fine like it is. In case you don't get it. We don't want to be surrounded by more problems.
You think you have a right to say what goes on in Wyoming even when you don't live here? Then PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS and send the state some cash to help us pay to manage your national resourse! What no donation? Then close your mouth! "

Shr wrote on May 1, 2008 10:14 PM:

" Ruffian, Rednecks-R-Us, Vicki, Yeehaw I touched a wolf one time in Alaska just before I skinned him and took his hide to the taxidermist. And, you are right they lovely especially the one adorning my wall. I would have to say though that pulling the trigger and watching as he fell was the best part of the experience. You want these vermin come on over I am sure we can send you and your naĂŻve friends home with a few. I would be willing to bet you never show up, because you DO NOT want these vermin in your own back yards, just ours. "

Environmental man wrote on May 2, 2008 12:11 AM:

" I find the facts that many Wy. ranchers and elk hunters quote to be very interesting. Here is some "food for thought". *wolves have been with elk herds for over 10,000 years or more so why are there still lots of elk around if you think wolves will kill all the elk? * Wolf packs do not get along and will kill other packs members on sight if given a chance so the numbers of wolves constantly changes. * Deadly fights break out in individual packs to establish a "pecking order"--again more wolves lost to the total each year. * The average wolf lives to be only 3-4 years old before injuries or disease takes them down. * If an elk herd is not moved around by a preditor like a wolf, the whole ecosystem is changed by over grazing . * Healthy elk that move around are stronger and less likely to transfer diseases like CWD to fellow herd members. (feedlots are really a bad idea for this very reason.) * Wy.'s wolf management plan is flawed because it does not allow a coridor for the wolves to travel out of the state without being shot ---- packs that have lost their Alpha and Beta wolves are more likely to go after domestic animal rather than their normal pray. * Ranchers are paid for deaths caused to cattle & sheep by wolves by the "Defenders of Wildlife fund". * Finally, blowing a wolf away or chasing it down with a ATV doesn't make you a sportsman.---going after one with only a knife well maybe! "

Marion wrote on May 2, 2008 5:17 AM:

" We are forcing the wolves to stay in Wyoming?? Now that is a new one, whateveer are you smoking? Wolves have been coming and going at will almost from the first day.
Crazy horse said it in the beginning, take care of your own state, we'll take care of ours.
Do you folks realize how arrogant and rud you are to try to force us to provide you with a plan for managing our lives and state the way you want? "

Lamp Lighter wrote on May 2, 2008 7:48 AM:

" vicki...........Sorry but the states are united for the purpose of defense and commerce regulation........People from other states do NOT have a right to tell Wyoming anything...........YNP was taken from Wyoming..................Enjoy your National Park zoo because I doubt there will be more conceded..................... "

Tguide wrote on May 2, 2008 8:41 AM:

" Let's boycott Justin and tofu and the state he's from. But, he doesn't have the guts to tell us where he lives! "

Dewd wrote on May 2, 2008 8:58 AM:

" Those of you writing to claim " state's rights" and Wyoming's sovereignty over Yellostone need tor eview your history . Yellowstone NATIONAL Park was created seven years after the Civil War by Ulysees S. Grant's 1872 signature, 18 years BEFORE Wyoming became a state. Portions of Wyoming had theretofore been part of the Spanish empire, the French and British colonies, and was even claimed by the Republic of Texas. As a US Territory , Wyoming was at various times part of the Oregon , Utah , Washington , Dakota, and Nebraska territories. The final arbitrary map quadrangle we call Wyoming today was so thinly populated that the President almost carved it up again to give to surrounding states by fiat. Only the clever trick of allowing Women to vote---heresy in its day---gave Wyoming enough voting population , barely , to qualify for statehood. Yellowstone Park trumps Wyoming. It was not " taken" from Wyoming at all. The salt in the wound is Wyoming has remained a Colony ever since statehood , exploited for resources and subjugated by industry; a Second World principality at best. The infernal Wolf debate recalls that , painfully. "

AdventureBob wrote on May 2, 2008 9:10 AM:

" Citizens of Wyoming Unite! Two can play the phone game. Lets flood the Defenders of Wildlife office with phone calls telling them how we feel.

No need for a script as the people of Wyoming can think on there own and tell there own story.

1-800-385-9712 or (202) 682-9400

Spread the word and get their phones ringing! "

LaramieResident wrote on May 2, 2008 10:17 AM:

" Dewd:
What does that anything to do with the debate? Oh no, Wyoming almost wasn't a state - therefore they shouldn't have the same rights as other states. Yes we have been completely exploited by industry - our children go to college for nearly nothing, we have billions of dollars in our coffers, the University is building facilities and hiring professors to create a superb institution. Disney has created a world where everyone thinks that animals are cute, little, English speaking critters, even though mother nature is much crueler than most humans can be. Please boycott our state, most residents would love to cut down the tourist population so we have more of our beautiful spaces to ourselves. "

crazy horse wrote on May 2, 2008 10:31 AM:

" Ruffian - wow - sounds like you want to hump a wolf! Well, good luck with your pet wolf. And Justin, we are all from NW WY. There we can see firsthand the carnage that these transplanted wolves are wreaking on our elk, deer, and moose herds. I agree Tguide - don't forget the sprouts lol. "

Weats wrote on May 2, 2008 10:55 AM:

" I called the gov's office yesterday and told them they were doing a great job, boy were they happy to hear a friendly voice, give them a call, it's in the phone book. "

Rednecks-R-Us wrote on May 2, 2008 10:58 AM:

" Environmental Man... yep. It's hysterical when the hysterica over wolves runs up against actual facts.

"Our elk are being wiped out!" Really, so why is it elk numbers in all three states are still at record or near-record highs... and Wyoming continues to issue MORE cow and general season elk tags?

"

Wyowerty wrote on May 2, 2008 12:09 PM:

" Ain't nothing like mixing Wyomingites, wolves, guns, and out-of-staters into the same pot in a newspaper story. The results on the comment board sure ain't sweet and nothing you'd want your guests to eat.
Lets hear it for anonymous hatred. Yay. "

Helen wrote on May 2, 2008 12:26 PM:

" Do these letters have a return address?

If so, let's ship each one of them their very own wolf.

They can cuddle and play fetch all day with them.

Maybe they'd like a grizzly or two also? "

Steve C wrote on May 2, 2008 12:31 PM:

" Marion, does that mean you can fight forest fires without federal dollars and assistance from the people in my state? Can any state truly take care of itself and ignore the outside world? Maybe California (one of the biggest economies in the world) should stop paying its billions in federal taxes and take care of itself and you can fight your own fires, come up with your own medical treatments, invent your own technology etc. As much as you all fear and hate outsiders, you need the liberal city folk just as the liberal city folk need crops grown etc... "

Uninformed wrote on May 2, 2008 2:27 PM:

" Children have to be taught not to blurt out the first thought or impression that occurs to them. Most of us learn as we mature not to speak before knowing the facts. Does this indicate that the environmentalists in these groups have some growing up to do? "

panama wrote on May 2, 2008 3:07 PM:

" Has anyone ever stopped to think that maybe the reason an "alarming" rate of wolves have been killed outside the trophy zone is that there are way more wolves than what the government thinks!!!!!

I would bet most anything that there are actually 3-4 times as many wolves in Wyoming as what is estimated by our government. That is why so many have traveled out of the park and into the shoot on sight zone.

Come on anyone who knows anything about wolves knows that hunting a wolf that is araid of humans, living on wild game and steering clear of livestock in the shoot on sight area would be nearly inpossible.

It is like hunting a mountain lion without the use of dogs. It just isn't going to happen. The reason these wolves have been shot in Sublette County is because they have been preying on cattle for sometime on the local ranches. Spring time means calving time and that means free meals for wolves. They have become reliant on it and have become "stupid" and have no fear of human scent from being protected so long. They were easy targets because they have been riding the gravy train so long, unlike the wolves who are still in Yellowstone. You would be lucky to catch a glimpse ot one of those. Throw in a few thousand head of cattle calving in the middle of the park you sure would though.

Come on people use your heads and think about things!! "

San Diego wrote on May 2, 2008 3:31 PM:

" Steve C, California is nearly broke. So are most of its major cities. San Diego, the 2nd largest city in California, is now and has been deficit spending. To many social programs and to strong of unions. Hence without federal money, California and her infrastructure would go under faster than she is now. "

Jenna wrote on May 2, 2008 3:43 PM:

" This is just very sad to me. I can't understand this unbridled hatred of an animal. They are not Feds in hiding or evil killing machines. They are not some sort of deified, spirtual totem that has some mystical bond with humans. They are animals---that do indeed hunt and kill, but keep ecosystems healthy and herd animals also benefit. However, they also depredate farms and kill domestic animals like dogs and cats.

They deserve their chance to live free of this completely unwarranted hostilty. They are not man-eaters, nor are they super-predators that can catch and kill as much as they wish. Nature doesn't work like that.

Farmers and ranchers deserve the rights to protect their land, herds, and companion animals. If a wolf learns to prey on "easier" prey like domestic livestock, then without a doubt the offending animal(s) should be destroyed.

I live in Montana and have had the pleasure and priveledge to see wolves while in the wild, and remember clearly when they were reintroduced. It was not an easy decision, but I think it was the right one. We of the tri-state area get to live in one of the very few remaining eco-systems, and wolves are a very important AND positive part of that.

People have every right to defend their livelyhood. However, there is no reason for this passionate hatred and cruelty. Running an animal to exhaustion and reveling in killing it is despicable.

I am thrilled to get to hear a true 'call of the wild' in a wolf's howl at night. I hope others of my neighbors can grow to appreciate it. It has its dangers, but the benefits far outweigh the negatives "

Wyoming Together wrote on May 2, 2008 3:51 PM:

" I just got of the phone with the governor's office and gave my unwavering support for Wyoming's decision to manage wolves and support for the (predator zone). I encourage everyone from Wyoming who reads this to do the same. Together we can manage our own state. PROUD TO BE FROM WYOMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

Yeehaw wrote on May 2, 2008 4:54 PM:

" woo crares whut environintaylst thunk I lik to shot the woofs Pappy sez dont hunt if yew are drunken but i dunt care shot woffs yay. "

Alaska Resident wrote on May 2, 2008 5:51 PM:

" We have the Defenders kooks going up here too. Squaking like gut shot marmots. Big city left wing money feeds them. Just ingore them.

Good luck my brothers "

getalife wrote on May 2, 2008 6:18 PM:

" Personally I think you folks from the cities in New York and California should worry about controlling the predators that terrorize your inner cities, the gangs and thugs that make your cities such a wonderful place to live. Wyoming is one of the safest places on earth to live and we don't need people like you telling us how we should live. You should be worrying about how to help all of the PEOPLE that truly need your help instead of worrying about whether a rancher 1000's of miles away is protecting his property or even if some drunken redneck is just out having a little fun. At least they are not preying on there own species. Get a life and worry about what you can do to improve the quality of life where you live! "

earthling wrote on May 2, 2008 7:06 PM:

" ALL life is sacred. To all of y'all who have problems with me and what I've been saying: ALL LIFE IS SACRED. Hate and shoot and youi'll never get anywhere. Recognize, Accept, modify, live. "

Bon Scott wrote on May 2, 2008 7:55 PM:

" It''s summer, mate.
Let's see what earthling has to say ... "

Ron wrote on May 2, 2008 9:49 PM:

" I've noticed no movement on the citiot pinknecks to start up an organization to where Wyoming's predator's are tranquilized and transported to places like California and New York. Why are you pinknecked citiots too much of cowards to bring these animals to your own states?

Understand this! Wyoming does not exist to be your wildlife playground that you visit once a year, and then travel back to the safety of your citified dumps. If you want wolves in your locality, then persuade your government to allow you to put them there.

Wyoming's G&F should be out there tranquilizing these animals, and then simply truck them into California and New York, then dump them out on a street corner, just like Citiiots do with their unwanted pets, when they take their dog or cat out to the country and dump them off on a farmer's property.

Durh! I'm a Citiot and I don't want my dog any more, so I think I'll set him free by dumping him out of the car on a lonely highway out in the middle of nowhere by a farmer's field.! Live free, little puppy, live free! Wheeeeeeee! I am a Citiot pinkneck! "

Idaho wrote on May 2, 2008 11:45 PM:

" I'm kind of glad to hear that Idaho has the most kills so far, theres a lot more wolves than they're saying there is and there eating the hell out of our elk and moose not to mention our deer. I don't have to much of a problem with the cats and bears but they eat what they kill, but it does get my nerves when I eat what I kill and the wolves just eat a portion and move on to the nest sport kill. We were only supposed to maintain 15 packs in the state and we have at leat 10 times that now and more every year. After their done with the elk deer and moose whats left. Anybody have any good recipes for wolf stew. "

hey dewd wrote on May 3, 2008 4:22 AM:

" give us another traffic ticket untruth and clearly indicate your credibility suffers. If you have to streach the truth on an issue as simple as your traffic ticket untruth what do you bring to this forum that is credible. "

Good Shot wrote on May 3, 2008 7:19 AM:

" Well now, look at this! Ya all gotta realize, Wy is and has always been a rancher's state. After the ranchers, NOT farmers, comes the oilfield. If you have the inoppertunity to belong to neither, you do not count. If you happen to be a target, well you get shot. I see the wolves going down again, and I do hope they get transplanted to the eastern states where they used to roam also but got killed out, and to the west coast states for the same reasons. I would feel sorry for them tho, they would be really sick from the pollution and disgarded needles. They can't live there because civilization has corrupted the whole area, the same as they would the Rockies and the huge parks that the mountain range has if ever given an oppertunity. As in the many areas, you see these civilized folk moving in and having a huge issue when the lions come in eat Fido. Fido needs to be lunch most times as he isn't contained or trained so he chases the wildlife and stock anyway. You also see the back east people and the west coast people crying foul when their public roads are plowed but their personal property driveways are not. They don't seem to get it, take care of your own, the state/county takes care of it's own. If you can't plow or dig out, stay there and whine. We don't care. We are already dug out and goin to town. This is what I have observed, the newbies gripe because there are deer, elk, moose, bear, lions, and a whole slurry of little critters, infringing on their property when they built there to have the joy of the wildlife to begin with. AND I also observe that NO ONE except a cattleman who doesn't pay living wages most times, has any land because the newbies have forced the prices way out of whack. I also see the newbies screaming about the cost of their fresh meat, but the ranchers are not getting anywhere what the grocery stores are for their meat or time spent trying to keep the critters safe and not wolf food, or newbie target practice or just keeping them disease free. Thus the lower wage instead of the living wage that they would like to pay to their good hands.
So I suggest, if the newbies and tourists want to have fresh excellent disease free/stockyard free meat, feed them fresh wolf kills, when their T-bones have a hunk out, sell the bite as extra. YOU are eating what the wolves eat, that is an extra charge to be in WY..... "

GaryD wrote on May 3, 2008 7:50 AM:

" Got a comment? Call Gov. Dave 1 307 777 7434.
Mine is kill them all, let god sort em out. "

DewD wrote on May 3, 2008 9:36 AM:

" "Panama" is looking thru the wrong end of his binoculars. I make strident attempts to view Wolves in the ranch country west of Cody , but so far have only seen cold tracks. The one rancher up here who was whining to the Heavens for years about Wolves hitting his cows got a permit to take out four Wolves. That was a month ago when the "season" opened. He's still 0 for 4. But I see Wolves nearly every time I go to Yellowstone...Lamar Valley , Hayden Valley, the shore of Yellowstone Lake. Wolves are far from " stupid"...they are canny and very wary of humans. It has taken a huge effort and $ 800/hour helicopters to 'manage" the Wolves of northwest Park County these past ten years. The ways and means whereby several dozen were removed each year by Wildlife Services (NOT!), county Predator Control, and Fish & Wildlife squads are way beyond the logistical means of the rancher or sport hunter. I do encourage the kill-happy Wolf haters of Lincoln and Sublette County to take those " easy " Wolves if you can , so the rest of them ---the smarter ones ---can teach their pups well. That apparently has been done. Panama is way overboard when he says there are many times more Wolves roaming the predator zone than officially cited. I always ask people like him to prove up on the anecdotal evidence of all this rampant Wolf depredation with hard evidence , because tales among the hunting crowd and rancher cabal grow in the telling and distortions amplify . The cries of "Wolf" go from zero to 100 in two days flat when them Stetsons and mustaches get to jawing. For years they have been wheezing about Wolves decimating the Moose population along the upper North Fork of the Shoshone next to Yellowstone. Guess what ? ---we're seeing more Moose this Spring than ever before , as many as 15 in 20 miles of road viewing during a single trip up the highway. And frankly , I have never seen so many Elk and Deer migrating the river corridor or so many Bighorn sheep as this Spring, in forty years . And by the way , Panama, there are a few thousand Bovines in the middle of Yellowstone with 27 Wolf packs all around them, the Bison who drop their calves at the same time and the same way as their kissing cousins Hereford and Angus. The Bison population in Yellowstone hasn't been the least bit fazed by Wolves, but somewhat by Griz. The bottom line is not one dime of compensation or consideration should be paid to ranchers who have ( a) bred their cattle to be stupid , and (b) expose them to predators by failing to manage them. It's called " Cowboying". If cows are so precious, then adjust your yields to account for inevitable losses . No animal on Earth of any specie is going to pass up the opportunity for an easy meal , so quit making it easy for Wolves to snipe your alien exotic bovine calves . The Wyoming Wolf Plan is not a plan for Wolves at all...it's a People plan, written for protection of livestock and hunting but not one whit for protection or sustaining Wolves when the other two interests come into play. Under the Wyoming plan , Wolves can only be killed , not nurtured , as though they were not real Wildlife at all. That's what happens when science is exiled in the name of economics, and bad economics at that. IT won;t be long before the roaming Wolves of Wyoming know all they need to know about humans. Many already do. But when I read comments from folks like " Yeehaw " whose command of language and clarity of thought says glaringly that Homo Neandertal did not die off , I realize that it will be a long, long time before Wyoming people learn to live with Wolves. Probably not in my lifetime. "

RE Chizmar wrote on May 3, 2008 12:03 PM:

" If this Comments Board reflects the majority of Wyoming then Wyoming should quadruple monies it currently dedicates to education - maybe it should even consider re-allocating $$ from aerial wolf gunning, but that may be asking too much b/c wolf-hating is a god-given right there. If you geniuses feel so strong about wolf-killing, and if you really want action other then back-slapping your backwardass Gov, then I think you should call Diane Shober and demand that Wyoming's Tourist literature and Website be updated to include the thoughts expressed in these Comments -- "We love killing wolves and don't give a crap if you don't!" and "non-Wyoming monies not acceptable here" and "Those who disagree w/ us are not welcome." Then you could really get what you desire. In addition, maybe you should build as fence around Wyoming to not only keep out the terrorists but those from CA, NY and PA (where I'm from). As an aside, examining the fervor Wyomingites apparently have for killing wolves, elk, bear and anything else that apprently walks, I suggest that many of you should sign up to go to Iraq and Afghanistan where you could really get some action (warning though they shoot back and sometimes blow you up, but what is passionate hunting if there isn't any risk? -- although you can't use snowmobiles in the desert, they do have humvees!) -- we could really use you brave boys and girls over there rather than here. Although I must say, I am somewhat taken aback to learn that based on a 9/28/07 Executive Report on Veterans Mental Health of the 1.5M who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan only 1700 Wyomingites (conservative est. they say) have served overseas since 9/11!! I say you should focus on killing terrorists not wolves but what do I know, I'm an outsider. In conclusion, I live in Philadelphia, you know the City where you Rights to be ignorant and say ignorant things was declared and protected, and given our crime rate, I'd like to take you up on your brilliant offer to ship your wonderful wolves to other states b/c I could let a couple out in some of our crime-ridden areas -- maybe they could clean up some of the ignorance here. "

hey dewd wrote on May 3, 2008 3:31 PM:

" you winning any more cases like when the officer is not there. Credibility is not your best side so how can you address it in others. Perhaps the homo neandertal trait lives on through you and am curious did they lie too, this is appropiate to the subject as it is your credibility that is now questionable. "

Hmmmmm wrote on May 3, 2008 3:33 PM:

" I think many of you have been imbibing in too many tofu slurpies and should refrain from adding hemp products to them. "

What wrote on May 3, 2008 4:18 PM:

" RE Chizmar We need an education???????? Go read the story about the Snowmobile again!! That happened in IDAHO!!!!!!!! I can read .Can you?? You people have no idea what your talking about. You wanted wolves in Yellowstone you got them. the deal was Yellowstone though not the entire state .We kept our end of the deal. Now its time for you to live up to your end!! Lets see Only 1700 wyomingites over seas? well pitsburgh has about the population of our entire state!!!!! What do you want all of us to go? Where will you get your coal and natural gas from then??? You want to Know if the wyoming plan will work? Take a look at the coyote. Another shoot on sight canid everywhere in the state except where?? Wow yellowstone!!! This sound familliar???? My guess is you will change your mind as soon as wolves are wondering the streets of New Jersey snatching toddlers from their front yards!!!!! "

Over it... wrote on May 3, 2008 9:02 PM:

" Chiz.... You speak as if the people from states like PA. (where your from) Ca. and NY. don't hunt. I got news for you 75% of my outfitting business comes from these three states alone! Please take some of our wolves....maybe they could help you with your deer problem. Another great PA. management success story. Guess we better listen.

Dewd....The reason your a seeing so many Moose on the road and wildlife from the road is because many if them have been forced into populated areas and roadsides to escape the wolf. You think a record snowfall in the state has anything to do with the number of animals migrating thru the corridors? I KNOW SO! If you think the Feds wolf numbers are accurate... I have some beach front property where it never snows to sell you here in Wyoming. "

Ron wrote on May 4, 2008 8:17 AM:

" I see another 2-year-old child was attacked by a coyote in Chino Hills, California this week. You know, if you Californicate Citiiot pinknecks had a wolf reintroduction program there, the coyote population would be under better control. Wasn't that one of the excuses you citiot pinknecks used to shove wolves down our throats?

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354054,00.html

"The girl was playing Friday in a sandbox at Alterra Park in Chino Hills in San Bernardino County. Around 10:30 a.m., the caretaker heard screaming and saw a coyote trying to carry the child off in its mouth, officials said." "

Ricardo wrote on May 4, 2008 8:36 AM:

" You can't win with these enviro-nuts. First they convince the State and the Park to allow the importation of wolves and then to let the packs grow to a given number. When this is achieved, they suddenly opt for the states of Wyoming, Idaho and Montana to be overrun by an unlimited number of wolves. The enviro-nuts will lie again and again when they make agreements. The best thing we could do would be to allow only a certain number of packs to reside only within Yellowstone. Everywhere else, they should be eliminated. Too bad we can't pass a law limiting the number of enviro-nuts who can live or visit the Western States! They certainly pollute our precious environment. "

gator bait wrote on May 4, 2008 1:41 PM:

" The legislature has shown the people of Wyoming how much they care about them. They passed legislation that would allow them to kill wolves that are destroying their livestock and eliminating elk herds. However, the Child Predator Tracking bill failed. Maybe there isn't enough money in the budget to cover the costs for ankle braclets of the the sex offenders that are in the state. Sounds like Wyoming has their priorities mixed up. "

Idaho wrote on May 4, 2008 9:15 PM:

" I'm sorry to say this but half the people on this blog have slanted views on this issue. Most of these idiots fall into the pro-wolf, city-boy category. I have had to do research on this for my college English class (yes we do have higher education in Idaho) and I have discovered many interesting facts. For one, currently the wolf population is five times larger than the prediction made thirteen years ago. Yet, the enviro"mental"ists are still griping about the necessary controlled hunts that are being planned. I have to laugh at the comment "Ruffian" made, really I feel bad for the guy, if you are going to comment on an article you should at least know some of the facts. Colorado, believe it or not, is actually not involved in this tri-state "suicide" plan. It looks like I'm going to have to sit back and let some overpaid/fed politicians decide the fate of the national "zoo" I currently live in. "

panama wrote on May 4, 2008 9:35 PM:

" DewD,

You have some good points and I see where you are coming from you are just hugging your tree to tight and it is partially obscuriing your vision.

The wolves that have been killed in Sublette County are in fact the stupid ones who have learned to prey on cattle and don't know any better. Why else were they shot so quickly. As soon as those ones are gone it will be very rare to hear of any wolf kills. Just like you say that all you see is cold wolf tracks in Park County. Obviously, those wolves have a fear of humans still. We all know wolves are very seclusive animals and you are very lucky to see one. I spent the first 24 years of my life in the Northwest part of the state and have never seen one, only tracks. Hunting wolves will only thin out the ones who have learned to prey on domestic livestock and have no fear of humans. With the current management plan the wolves will soon live as they did before "reintroduction". When the native wolves roamed with no contraversy.

Oh yeah, Dewd since you live in that part of the state just ask any old timer who has been there all his life, there were still wolves roaming around before "reintroduction". They were just so seclusive that very few ever saw one.

And yes there are way more wolves and grizz in the state than what are government will admit. They have gotten out of hand and they don't want to admit it. Why have they spread so far out of Yellowstone? For instance, a few years ago when I still lived in the Thermopolis area I knew of 4 black bear hunters that accidently shot grizz instead of black bears over the course of 2 seasons. That is alot. What are the chances they attracted that many grizzly bears instead of black bears if there was as few as there is supposed to be.

You are right the Bison population hasn't been fased by wolves. You can't compare Bison and livestock anyone knows that. Bison have dealt with wolves forever, livestock haven't. You ever thought that maybe alot of the wolves have left Yellowstone because livestock were a little easier prey?

Yes, and ranchers do get paid for losses. But, for every confirmed kill they get paid for there are probably3-4 that can't be confirmed. Do you think if you had a thousand head of cattle you could keep an eye on every cow 24/7 to make confirm it was a wolf that killed them. They only get partially paid for actual worth of livestock as well. Now, I'm not saying there is no exageration because there probably is. That's human nature, anyone exagerates-kind of like all the eastern wolf lovers posting comments. "

kcgc wrote on May 4, 2008 10:58 PM:

" You sure try and "woooo" everyone with your supposed knowledge DewD. Just like you tried a few weeks back with the Werner Ranch eagle killings in the early 70's! You were wrong on at least one account of that, so how can we trust what you say here and now? Ooooo mighty ex-packer from mountain creek! "

VoiceofReason wrote on May 5, 2008 12:33 AM:

" So many people here haven't a brain cell devoted to wolf ecology. First of all this plan is complete bullocks, shoot on sight is a slaughter regardless of how it is sugar coated by persons involved, second, wolves don't decimate any prey because this would go against the rule of basic biology stating that apex predators do not breed when their food supply is low. A large amount of herbivores (commonly known as 'game' by certain individuals) indicates an imbalance in the ecosystem. Too many herbivores and the system collapses. This has been demonstrated before when such actions as those displayed currently are introduced, it took only 60 years for an entire ecosystem to die care of sport hunting and farmer's whining. I've read the 'delightful' comments so far and I have to tell you - there isn't one iota of intelligence or foresight included in the majority. Is it in your natures to be so uninformed about wolves? "

paulette p wrote on May 5, 2008 7:13 AM:

" shoot cows on pul-land..not wolves, you can eat cows. "

NiLLa wrote on May 5, 2008 7:40 AM:

" I think that iut shows that wyoming doesnt care bout this situation as much as we should. This law making the wolves 'game' is terrible for the circle of life because if ppl just go shoot the wolves what is going to happen...the other species like antelope n deer are eventually going to overpopulate...well they already do but its going to cause more disease n make the land even more barren....we need to look at what other solutions for the farmers instead of letting the wolves be trophy targets "

crazy horse wrote on May 5, 2008 4:06 PM:

" This sentence from the first paragraph of the story is the essence of this whole debacle - "most of the non-local critics don't have their facts straight about the state's wolf management plan". "

SHR wrote on May 5, 2008 7:02 PM:

" Call the governor's office and state your point. I did and I was met with a very pleasant coversation, and NO I am not for the environmentalist view. I just stated my point politely. telling the rep on the other end that I want the ability to hunt and shoot wolves on sight outside of the Yellowstone zone. The number is 307-777-7434. "

highmarkin wrote on May 5, 2008 8:33 PM:

" Man I wish I was a wolf know it all just like all these city idiots on here.Newsflash you dopes,watching a wolf in jellystone from your Suburu does not make you wolf experts.As far as I am concrned Yellowstone is nothing but a burden to this state.DewD you are something else.Two months ago you and earthling were claiming absolute extinction of your beloved wolves and know your chiming in how they are too smart for us dumb rednecks.You know growing up I was told how to keep from getting my nose broken,it was called minding your own dang buisiness.Something some of you need to do.The people of this state are tired of being whored out by the rest of you for our gas,oil coal,land,water and anything else you see fit to try and take and then try and tell us how to live.Chizmar way to contribute to the topic.I guess WHAT pretty well summed it up but let's add the fact that most of you p------ could not handle living in this country,hence the small poulation you babbling dope.Please come visit and let's play guns,just remember we don't follow the rules of war here pal.I don't recall anytime in my life when the people of this state got on a soapbox and started telling you city people how to live your lives, because we don't care about you or your ways.I sure hope natural selection thins some of you out soon. "

Patriot wrote on May 5, 2008 8:46 PM:

" "Wolf is the Grand Teacher. Wolf is the sage, who after many winters upon the sacred path and seeking the ways of wisdom, returns to share new knowledge with the tribe. Wolf is both the radical and the traditional in the same breath. When the Wolf walks by you - you will remember."
~ Robert Ghost Wolf "

Over it... wrote on May 5, 2008 10:29 PM:

" Voiceof reason....Please explain to me how it is that we now see subordinate wolves breeding within the pack when prior "wolf ecology" told us it would never happen.
Now you want us to believe that wolves don't decimate any prey? Are you for real? "

Bullwhip wrote on May 6, 2008 12:27 AM:

" Well, I think we should send 100 wolves to both LA and NY and turn them loose in town.They would surely clean up the streets in a hurry,ie, homeless, druggies,whores, etc. These wolf supporters say it is a natural and necessary process for wolves to kill the weak and old wildlife and such here so they should have their weak, old and homeless cleaned out of their backyards as well. I would love to call in a wolf, (they come in quite well using coyote calling techniques) and see 'Ruffian' touch that wolf. haha. Bet that would be a kodak moment. "

EcoSprite wrote on May 6, 2008 6:04 AM:

" Oh we got our facts straight alright. Ranchers are baiting wolves out of the protected areas with lambs and calves so they can shoot them and then collect money on the dead livestock. It's going on now, and if you don't know that you're not from Wyoming. Prove it isn't. You can't. I can. I live here. I see it. I hear about it in town. I've seen the wolves in the back of pickups. If you knew anything about what's going on here you'd know that people are cheating the laws to get money. Here's some advice: stay in your own state and let us take care of ours. We don't need your interference and lies. "

Behind the times wrote on May 6, 2008 9:38 AM:

" You say it USED to be illegal to shoot wolves? "

gayle wrote on May 6, 2008 12:13 PM:

" Ok, where do i fit in? I used to live in Wyoming but now live in CA. Wolves? send me some. I would love to see them in the mountains around where i live but maybe i am stupid, i believe wolves don't normally congregate where lots of people live. And for the people claiming wolves carry away their children, why aren't you watching your children? It's strange that any person that opposes the killing of wolves is referred to as a "city person". Gee, Wyoming not everything outside your state is a city. I live in the desert . People don't want to take the responsibility for themselves and figure if they get rid of the problem, they dont have to. And for the people claiming the wolves are eating all your deer and elk. How many deer and elk can you possibly eat in a year anyway? Talk about greedy. Normally wild animals don't kill more than what they can eat so i find these claims ridicoulous. Humans leave behind more carnage than wolves. At least the wolves are killing to survive and what they leave behind helps feed other animals but humans killing is just wasteful. Look what we did to the bison and continue to do today. If you want to live in the wilderness, then you need to accept what that involves. Because the wolf is bothering you doesn't mean you have a right to exterminate it to make your lives easier. Because hunters want more deer and elk to hunt for themselves, they are crying that the wolf is eating them all which is bull. And to say what happens in Wyoming doesn't concern anybody else is also bull because the ecosystem is all related and the last i checked, this was the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA not the JUST US STATE OF WYOMING. Also, if i read the wolf plan correctly, the state wants the right to eradicate all wolves that are unfortunate enough to not have the "somewhat" protection of being in Yellowstone park which means the wolves that leave the park and try to return may not make it back. The 20 or 30 wolves in the shoot on site zones still means 20 to 30 as yet to be dead wolves. And they will give permits to shoot the ones in the Northwest. Hmm. some wolf plan you've got there. It still all comes down to trying to eradicate the wolves from the state. I guess you would all rather have dead, rotting corpses of surplus deer and elk laying all over the place. All it takes is man to FU nature when it can take care of itself just fine without us. Oh, wait. You will just find something else to blame that on because you all can't take responsibility for anything because it doesn't fit in with your plans. "

Over it... wrote on May 6, 2008 7:04 PM:

" Gayle...Please stay on Mars! Wolves DO KILL FOR SPORT. This is well documented and well photographed.
Here on Earth man has influenced the natural balance to a point where he must manage the wildlife. Returning to a world where nature controls and balances without management in some form is a dream.
Let all of us here on Earth know when you discover a way to eliminate mans development so that all its furry little critters can take care of themselves.
"

sam wrote on May 6, 2008 8:26 PM:

" WOW Gayle, talk about uninformed. Yes wolves kill for the sport of it!!!! Any one who has been keeping up with the news of Wyoming knows this. As for your wanting to have some wolves in your backyard, I will be glad to send you some Just tell me when and where. Oh might want to mention wolves are the only creature on Earth who are more efficient killers than humans. Wyoming Elk have been chased down and had their faces eaten off and left to die by these wonderful beasts. No one understands why they eat the faces and leave the rest. So while you wonder how many elk a wolf can eat by itself please multiply that number by about 100. As for your theory about wolves leaving man alone, their is this guy in Idaho who has a story to tell you about a dog that literally gave his life for the life of his master. Seems these lovely beasts love to hunt the weaker of the species and destroy it. Finally, I would like to note, the government has been spending lots of tax payer money trying to find out the reason the moose numbers have dropped. I would like to suggest that the government stop spending that money because the answer is simple. Before the wolves were eliminated from this area the moose population was "endangered", following the elimination of the wolf the moose population grew to where they were no longer "endangered". Now we have had the wolf "reintroduced"(or I would say shoved down our throats) and the moose are disappearing. Take your chose, Moose or wolf? I prefer the the moose. "

Tguide wrote on May 6, 2008 9:41 PM:

" Gayle....YOU didn't read the plan very closely! The state has no plans to eradicate the wolves! It's called a "balance" with habitat needs and being able to live with other industries! Whether you or anyone else likes it or not, agriculture and hunting are major economic components of this state! Even if I believed that we should say heck with hunting (and I wouldn't), in no way do you or anyone have the right to attempt to create undo stress and problems on the agriculture industry! We don't have unlimited wolf habitat, this is something that all the "real" wolf experts understand! If you really did live in Wyoming, then you would be able to understand this concept! And sorry to bust your bubble, but, I could almost guarantee the wolves wouldn't be able to coexist in the mountains around you! HELLO.....that's why they aren't there now! What part of this can't you understand gayle? "

XGoodWolfX wrote on May 7, 2008 3:18 AM:

" Gayle, spoken like a true californian....you made the right choice in moving....enjoy your mtn lions...that your state govt is paying YOUR tax dollars to kill...because they cant be hunted....WAKE UP "

Willy wrote on May 7, 2008 8:14 AM:

" Gayle et al. It's all about finding a balance (i.e., compromise). The Greater Yellowstone area has the best habiltat for wolves. They're basicallly protected there with some limited hunting. The area outside of YNP, Grand Teton Park & adjacent wilderness areas is marginal habitat, with a higher occurence of ranching, subdivisions, etc. The US Fish & Wildlife Service and now the Wyoming G&F incorporated all the information and came up with a plan that neither side (pro vs anti wolf) is entirely comfortable with, but is a COMPROMISE that if given the chance to work, will give us a "controlled" population of wolves. Extremist statements are not going to work in Wyoming. We are, afterall, the ones footing the bill now. Therefore, yes, we should have a lot of the say in the management plan. "

EcoSprite wrote on May 7, 2008 11:42 AM:

" Good comments Gayle. It's the losers that just moved to Wyoming and are crying about the wolves killing everything are only want-to-bees that think they're ranchers and hunters so they take the extreme position trying to make people think they're locals. They don't know that the majority of Wyoming folks, like me, are happy the wolf is here. You said it best Gayle: to live in the woods you have to be able to take what the woods throw your way. This all reminds me of the crybaby Californians who moved into the mountains of Colorado and then were really crying to the government when forest fires took out their homes. Exact same thing here. "

Tguide wrote on May 7, 2008 12:59 PM:

" To EcoSprite.....Give me a break! You truely aren't real are you! You must have been one of the two or three to have called the gov's office claiming to be from Wyoming, and in support of relisting the wolves! "

barnun wrote on May 8, 2008 11:23 AM:

" it's funny, i dont here the wolf lovers crying to stop coyote hunting. NY does have a lot of mountainous region as does California. Actually, most of the east coast is the appalachian mountains. So why dont they have a wolf program in those states ? Once the wolves finally descrate the Elk heards, then what ? The Pro Wolf crowd loves to blame the ranchers while sitting at dinner eating their steaks but they dont ever really mention the fact that as the wolf population grows, other game declines. "

barnun wrote on May 8, 2008 11:25 AM:

" for the people in California, they have a stupid law that prohibits people from clearing brush and yet their state burns every year, with the rest of us paying for it. "

highmarkin wrote on May 8, 2008 11:40 AM:

" EcoSprite your probably the most ridiculous person posting on here right now.Telling everyone that wolves are being baited by ranchers with calves in the Cora area is such a crock of s---.All the cattle are on the private land at this time for calving you babbling,slanderous a--.If you are from WYOMING as you claim you would know this so your comments hold about as much as a bottomless bucket.Gayle thanks for moving it was an honorable thing for you to do,hopefully you can convince more people like you to take the same action.I find it most interesting that all the people who wanted to move or visit Wyoming always came foe the western heritage... the same one they are trying to do away with. "

EcoSprite wrote on May 9, 2008 5:07 AM:

" I get so tired of seeing guys like highmarkin who just moved here try to act like they know what's what. They need to quit trying to make people think they're life-long locals and pipe down. It's more like they don't live here because they make preposterous claims like all cattle are on private land which shows they don't know where that private land even is. What a joke. If they really lived here, or had even visited Wyoming, they'd know Wyoming people support wolves. All polls show that. Get a clue big man. Better yet, come out here for vacation this summer and bring that other pretender, Tguide, with you. Tourism is our 2nd biggest employer. We need your money. I live here and I've seen what's going on in the field. Don't try to call me a liar. Ease up on the cursing too. It only further proves you're small and not from here. "

barnun wrote on May 9, 2008 8:32 AM:

" Eco, people in wyoming fully understand that game populations remain strong and healthy by game management ( hunting ) people in wyoming are also very concerned about the affect the wolves have on the Elk heards. Imagine if California's coyote population was wolves. They are more than welcome to build their own wolf population and yet they dont, I wonder why .... "

crazy horse wrote on May 9, 2008 9:09 AM:

" EcoSprite - what a dope! Time to put away the airplane glue pal. "

highmarkin wrote on May 9, 2008 9:21 AM:

" What's a matter there EcoSprite did I expose your rididculous rhetoric?I guess being a forth generation NATIVE in your eyes makes me a transplant.If you like I could drive on over from Forty Rod Rd. and you could try and prove your so called baiting claims.As for your claim about the majority of Wyoming people wanting wolves,well that goes without saying I suppose.I would love to see you march into Pinedale and present your claims that you say you have.You have not done this because you know that your claims are not true.Why don't you stand up in a public forum and accuse your neighbors of their so called illegal activities?I think I have proven here who the wannabe from Wyoming really is.In my eyes you really don't care about the wolves per se just about some tourist lining your pocket with money for your big tourism industry and nothing more.As far as my cursing goes sometimes you have to be as ignorant as those your trying to reach.So you just keep ripping people off with your over inflated tourism garbage Monday-Saturday and go to church on Sunday and OK your actions with the big man to make it acceptable in your eyes.Don't worry about me and ol' Tguide we have weatherd many storms and we will be here till the end. "

Tguide wrote on May 9, 2008 11:00 AM:

" Well said highmarkin, but EcoSprite wouldn't have the guts to march into Pinedale, because he (or she) would get their @#@ whipped! They would rather hide behind the skirts of their mommies while the courts handle their battles. Not a one of them would have the guts to handle the issue the "ole fashioned" way. You know, just two, behind the barn! "

Barnun wrote on May 9, 2008 2:11 PM:

" the prediction for tourism is way up. If anything, wolf hunting might increase tourism. Most tourists that come are interested in Jackson and YNP. they are not going to be driving around on some side roads in converse county looking for a wolf. 90% of the states wolves are in the protected areas waiting to have a tourist for dinner. Now, when, not if but when there is finally a wolf attack on a human in Yellowstone, you might see a decline in tourism. "

Juan wrote on May 9, 2008 4:58 PM:

" Why is it that when Cougars and Coyotes attack a grape-nut's poodle in California it is a crisis, but when we have to try to make a living and the wolves are imperiling that these same granola eaters turn a blind eye? I'll bet that they all use pesticides on their roses or mole traps in their lawns to get ride of those pests too? What is the moral difference?
"

EcoSprite wrote on May 9, 2008 6:30 PM:

" To highmarkin and Tguide, thank you so very much for popping off just like the just-moved-here-mouths always do. You guys nailed it. What?... Neither of you actually live in Wyoming? SHOOT!. I suspected that, but congratulated you anyway. My mail comes to my Daniel, WY P.O. Box, not my parents' house, in DesMoines like yours so I think you need to both stay home and dream about my state. I stand by my word, however, I think you two have trouble spelling it. Come visit Sublette County big boys. Bring Tslide with you, ok? "

Jake the Snake wrote on May 9, 2008 7:37 PM:

" Eco: I live in Wyoming near Cody and I don't support wolves and never did. Hundreds went to the hearing when nut cases wanted to bring these vermin in from Canada and overwhelmingly said NO, we don't want them. We got them any way. 99.9% of everyone I now and talk to does not want these wolves. How about giving them to Nancy Pelosi for a birthday present???? "

iriq wrote on May 10, 2008 7:34 AM:

" To Eco . I could rent a P.O. Box in any state in the Union. Whats your point ?. Please dont put me in your ( We in Wyomig wanting wolfs ) . I DONT !!! "

Tguide wrote on May 10, 2008 10:38 AM:

" Your right crazy horse.....Ecofreak just popped another tube! Let's see, his parents live in DesMoines, but he lives here...Hmmm...and he's trying to fool us into thinking he's native? "

seminative wrote on May 10, 2008 10:54 AM:

" Why don't you people who love wolves so much write your gongressmen and tell them you want wolves introduced in your states. Then we won't be shooting them, we'll just trap them and send them to you. Everybody is happy. "

highmarkin wrote on May 10, 2008 9:51 PM:

" See you at the Junction EcoSprite.I am glad the editor lets you attack Tguide and myself but won't post my comments.Good thing because I ALREADY PROVED TO YOU THAT I LIVE IN WYOMING YOU HACK.I know your a poser because if you read my last comment stating the Forty Rod Rd. area I reside in you would not have posted anything.Just keep reading the headlines and gathering your info about the area and then claim to be from there.Anyone that is true to Sublette county knows that it is ranching area and we don't support wolves.Why don't you go on down to the GRB and tell everyone what a big wolf lover you are and see where your face ends up. "

Mr Green Jeans wrote on May 11, 2008 9:39 AM:

" EcoSprite? smells like earthling to me...
In any event, call the governor's office and support the state management plan. I did. The gal I spoke with was from WY and she thought all the out of state loonies calling (such as your ecosprites) was ludicrous. We had a good laugh. Furthermore, she could see on the caller ID that I was from Cody, and understood why people up in this area are not so fond of wolves as the out of state tofu loving, anti-rancher, eco busybodies. Expect some further off topic aimless drivel from ecosprite, and the like. "

Over it... wrote on May 11, 2008 2:55 PM:

" I wish I could be there to see Eco walk in the GRB. Good entertainment. Eco ...your a joke. Your not fooling anyone. "

crazy horse wrote on May 12, 2008 9:23 AM:

" Ecofreak lolol. I like seminative's idea. The simplicity and logic are a thing of beauty, and as he says - EVERYBODY IS HAPPY! "

EcoSprite wrote on May 12, 2008 1:57 PM:

" Just because you know the name of one road near where I live doesn't prove you're from here highmarkin. You need to get that straight right off the bat. And I still say that all the polls prove Wyoming people want wolves. All people except those who can't hunt and can't manage livestock effectively. But come out here this summer and visit anyway. Maybe you can impress us locals with how tough you are in person. "

just me wrote on May 12, 2008 7:33 PM:

" Ok I just spent a half hour reading all these posts. Most are pretty funny!! just a few things ...Yes call Gov. Dave and thank him for the support on the wolf plan, second, and perhaps i missed it..but the comments regarding the wolfs have no way out?? Hello, they can still slip in to Montana and Idaho via YNP. My Thoughts I would love to stumble across a wolf in the "shoot on site" zone..I travel the whole state usually with a coyote gun with me..Oh by the way I do not drink and shoot..blurs my vision..and I have YET to see a wolf in any of these areas..But as someone stated in a post..Lets look at the coyotes..they seem to be thriving quite nicely, and ive done my part to thin that "herd" so to speak as well..Im sure somebody will have something stupid and insulting to say about me even though they dont know me..i really dont care..Im a Montana Native been in this great state of Wyoming for 10 years, and since the right wing crazys have managed to take over Montana, I care not to go back and and Im PROUD to call Wyoming home, and lastly, To all the negative comments in regards to the intelligence of Wyomintes..They are some of the most Resourceful, intelligent people i have ever met and glad to be part of them! "

barnun wrote on May 13, 2008 1:54 PM:

" isn't it odd that all of the state's game thrive quite nicely without the dictation of the save the plants crowd ? People keep overlooking the fact that 90% of the wolves are still protected and that number still exceeds the original promised number. why dont the love the wolf crowd cry about the slaughter of the elk heards ? who is going to accept direct personal responsibility for the first human fatality ? What do you think will happen when a trourist in Jackson or Yellowstone gets attacked ? This is not an IF but a When. "

iriq wrote on May 13, 2008 6:10 PM:

" To: just me .... Welcome to Wyoming ! If and of corse when trasplants come , I PRAY they think like a TRUE human being as your self. "

iriq wrote on May 13, 2008 6:16 PM:

" Oh yea To : egosprite , I actually read someting that was written on another story that was even stupider than what you say. My hats off !. NOT !!! "

WYO wrote on May 16, 2008 1:47 PM:

" Please know that the negataive writtings in this blog do not represent the majority of Wyomingites. Not all of us are gun totin, uneducated, hate mongers. Thank you. "

Over it... wrote on May 16, 2008 8:40 PM:

" Please know that not all Wyomingites are not tree hugging, bunny loving, eco terrorists, do gooders, with too much time and money on their hands. No,.......Thank you! "

Piz wrote on May 19, 2008 5:05 PM:

" I get so tired of these wimping whining cattlemen crying about a little natural predation. They should consider it the price of Mother Nature tolerating their pernicious prescence. "

barnun wrote on May 21, 2008 12:46 PM:

" when was the last time piz ate beef ? "natural predation"? these wolves were brought here and protected while their numbers grow. a cow here and there is one thing but the wolves have been slaughtering the elk heards. The grizzly bear population has increased and along with that has come increased human fatalities. tell the families of the victims about your "natural predation". I'm sure it will make them feel better. "

Barnun wrote on May 21, 2008 1:06 PM:

" here is a good article for the cali crowd. their state game and fish hunts and kills about 85 mountain lions per year. so I guess as a state they seem to be dog lovers .... I wonder why they dont get their own wolf packs? they have plenty of mountainous region.
tchester.org/sgm/lists/lion_attacks.html and i just read another article that said if wolves migrate to california, they are not protected. Hah ! www.californiawolfcenter.org/why.htm
"

laviajera wrote on May 22, 2008 9:14 PM:

" Haven't you heard?
Earth first !!(and all its feathered and furred) We'll destroy the rest later.
Who needs beef anyway, we're all the laziest greediest overfed slobs on the planet! "

Earthling wrote on May 23, 2008 7:20 PM:

" What a mess. They're all a disgrace. Talk about fall all over yourself. Please help get my lab back here, ok? "

jadesblack wrote on May 27, 2008 5:12 PM:

" I do ranch, and I also love the wolves. Iwas sorry they were ever brought back because of the ignorant people. The wolves mainly live on the sick and the weak. I expected the ranchers to scream. Most of thier stock is not even lost to the wolves. Its just an excuse. I could of told you that was going to happen. The people will slaughter them to just say they did. I feel the wolves should be protected from the biggest prediter of all, MAN forever. It was thier land first. "

Predhunter wrote on May 28, 2008 6:45 AM:

" Save a wolf... eat a animal rights activist. "

Tguide wrote on May 28, 2008 3:33 PM:

" I doubt you "really" ranch jadesblack! Maybe you have 40 acres with a horse or two and have a sign over the entrance calling it a "ranch"! So your saying they are just killing the sick and weak cows?? What stupidity! "

Ecosprite wrote on May 29, 2008 3:31 PM:

" Hey Tguide, why don't you give it a rest? You're not what you claim to be either, Mr. Name Caller. "

sammie wrote on May 30, 2008 11:22 AM:

" you people are so naive-the ones who think wolves are so beautiful, and don't do anything wrong.
My aunt can not let her kids walk a mile to thier granparents house because of fear they won't make it there. Wolves are beautiful, but are you really ever gonna see one in the wild? And if you make a living off of cattle and sheep, every one of those matter, and wolves, cyotes and other predators cause lots of heart ache.... "

Tguide wrote on May 31, 2008 7:16 AM:

" Well! Well! Ecofreak raises his square shaped head! "

Ecosprite wrote on May 31, 2008 4:33 PM:

" Wow sammie, that sounded just like the Little Red Riding Hood Fairy Tale my wife reads our little girls at bed time. Looks like you and Tguide are acting out on your childhood insecurities which were based on fairy tales that you never out grew. It's a shame you guys are actually (I'm assuming this, of course) in the nation's workforce taking the place of some one who's clearly more capable. "

John wrote on Sep 18, 2008 3:47 PM:

" People who love wolves above people are sick.They have no regard for the livestock that are dragged off and slowly eaten alive by their beloved wolves.Maybe the wolf worshippers should offer their ownselves as food for their idols.If you dont know how wolves kill their prey,let me tell you from experience.Ive had to bury the remains of several sheep.The first place wolves go for is the genitals,biting and gnawing which does not kill a sheep immediately.They usually go from one sheep to another inflicting as much damage as they will .Wolves have NO compassion for anything.They are stupid carnivors that live by instinct.Kill,reproduce etc.They are Not warm fuzzy dogs.They are wolves.And they do not belong anywhere near human habitat. "

mnrancher wrote on Feb 8, 2009 5:55 PM:

" well im the guy from mn ,and i also know what these things you call icons are all about killers that is all they are period,youi people need to stop watching animal planet and be in the real world like us farmers.you take for granite what u eat,we will always be the back bone of the united states your wolves will not feed you.i lost 32,000 dollars worth to the wolves get paid for three bulls..t . you want to keep them around do something fair it is that simple but you ignore us and the cost we feed familys too even with the loss but it becomes hardship for us. if theres nothing you want to do to preserve your icns there is only one sollution.there is 22 less wolves running around here sss cowboy up boys only way to win "

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