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LANDER -- Since Rainbow Family participants have chosen to stay put at Big Sandy in Wyoming's Wind River Mountains, leaders with the Boy Scouts of America have decided to alter plans for a major service project that had been scheduled to take place in the same general area.

Leaders with the Boy Scouts' Order of the Arrow have decided to cancel a long-planned forest restoration project near Dutch Joe Guard Station in the Wind Rivers, said Mary Cernicek, spokeswoman with the Bridger-Teton National Forest.

The U.S. Forest Service was scrambling Monday to come up with a similar project in a different location in the Bridger-Teton, to serve as a substitute for the Scouts when they come July 26 through Aug. 2.

''We're heartbroken, but we're committed to giving the Boy Scouts a good experience and providing them with the education and leadership skills they're seeking,'' Cernicek said.

About 1,000 Scouts from throughout the United States are scheduled to come to the Cowboy State in the latter half of July as part of a five-week project in five different national forests -- the largest national service project for the Boy Scouts since World War II, according to Ed Stewart, spokesman Boy Scouts of America in Dallas.

The Order of the Arrow, which is the Boy Scouts' national honor society, anticipates 5,000 or so participants will provide more than a combined 250,000 hours of service this summer helping to restore portions of national forests in Missouri, Utah, Virginia, California and Wyoming, according Stewart.

''The Scouts have been committed for a long time with this particular project,'' Stewart said. ''Hundreds of these Scouts are raring to go. They're on their way to Virginia now, and that'll be forest number three. These are teenagers who can answer, 'What did you do this summer?' with the response that they went to five locations throughout the country and helped restore some national (forests).''

Representatives of the Bridger-Teton and the Scouts were scheduled to meet via teleconference late Monday to discuss their options, Cernicek said before the meeting.

''They'll still be doing a project in the Bridger-Teton, just not at Dutch Joe,'' she said. ''There will still be about 1,000 Scouts -- 700 on Teton Pass, and 150 at Goosewing Guard Station near the Gros Ventre Wilderness boundary.''

The Scouts will construct about 8,000 feet of trail on Teton Pass, and will remove a 10-foot-high exclusion fence at Goosewing. They had planned to remove about a quarter mile of wooden and sheep wire fence near Dutch Joe Guard Station, as well.

The Rainbow Family has chosen that same general area for its annual national Rainbow Gathering of Living Light, a counterculture celebration of peace, love and a gentle existence.

Last week Mark Rey, the federal undersecretary who oversees the U.S. Forest Service, came to Pinedale from Washington, D.C., to meet with Rainbow Family participants and urge them to move their gathering to a different location so it wouldn't conflict with the Boy Scouts' project.

Although the Rainbow event reaches its peak attendance July 4, and a mass exodus generally ensues the following day, all parties have agreed that a Rainbow cleanup crew will still be hard at work by the time the Boy Scouts are scheduled to begin their project at the end of July.

The Rainbows who were already on site conferred about Rey's request, but decided it was already too late to shut down and clean up the Dutch Joe area, and choose another location to then reconstruct kitchens, latrines and water supplies before a potential 25,000 people arrived.

Whose fault?

Sue Bradford of Missoula, Mont., who has been attending Rainbow gatherings since 1992, said Rainbow participants notified the Forest Service of the location they'd decided on, and were not told it was a ''bad'' location until several days later, after it was already too late.

''I would hate to see the Boy Scouts have to move, but at this stage in the game the gathering starts to take on a life of its own,'' Bradford said. ''I used to be an Explorer Scout and a Girl Scout. A lot of people at the gathering were Boy Scouts. I think a lot of people there would have shared these concerns, if only they'd known sooner.''

There are already an estimated 1,100 campers set up in the area, and by the time the federal agency notified the Rainbow Family of the conflict, the group had already laid a mile of water pipe, she said. To start over would set the effort back at least 10 days, and the new site would be ill-prepared to handle the impacts of the sudden 10,000 to 20,000 participants expected just before July 4.

''I would expect that probably a majority of people out there would not have wanted to dislocate the Boy Scouts,'' she said.

Garrick Beck of Santa Fe, N.M., who has attended almost all of the Rainbow gatherings since 1972, took part in several conference calls among the Forest Service, the Boy Scouts of America and the Rainbows during the past week, he said.

He said he's one of many Rainbow participants who were in favor of changing the location once they heard of the Boy Scout conflict, but he wasn't on site when the decision was made to stay.

''It's a mess, and it's unfortunate, and there's plenty of blame to go around,'' Beck said. ''But this never would have happened, or could have happened, if the Forest Service at the very beginning had said, 'No, this is not a workable site.'"

It wasn't until after more than 200 people had gathered at the site and begun digging in kitchens and other infrastructure that the Forest Service told them, "This is a real problem,'' he said.

Rainbow participants had three or four meetings with Forest Service representatives after choosing the Big Sandy site, before the officials said anything about the Boy Scout conflict, he said.

''We never would have gotten in that position if the Forest Service had indicated from the get-go that this was not a workable site,'' Beck said.

But District Ranger Tom Peters, the local official who has been attempting to work with the gathering participants, said the Rainbows' claims of ignorance about the Boy Scout conflict are not representative of what actually happened in the lead-up to their choice of location.

''The first time I was given an opportunity to talk to them wasn't all that long ago, and from the get-go I told them there was a conflict with the Scouts,'' Peters said.

The first time Peters heard that the Rainbows had chosen the Big Sandy area was June 5, he said, when about six Rainbow participants came to his office unannounced. During that first meeting he told them there was a conflict with Scouts, he said, ''And I committed to giving them a written document for all the reasons Big Sandy was not a good site, which I did Monday the 9th of June.''

The Forest Service provided the Rainbow participants -- at the Rainbows' request -- with four sites that would have been suitable for the event at the end of March, Peters said, and his understanding was that they'd chose from among the four sites.

The Rainbow Family instead chose Big Sandy, which was not on the list, he said.

Environment reporter Chris Merrill can be reached at chris.merrill@trib.com or at (307) 267-6722.


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LaramieResident wrote on Jun 24, 2008 8:27 AM:

" So instead of getting a great forest restoration project, we get 25,000 hippies leaving behind bodily fluids, pot, and who knows what else? Not to mention all of the people that use that area to begin the hike to the Cirque of Towers, being forced out. It only took a couple of days for the Forest Service to let them know (by Rainbow accounts) that it was a bad place. That is probably record turn around for a government agency. Do they not understand how the government works? "

TR wrote on Jun 24, 2008 9:23 AM:

" Pretty sad when flower skwirls are allowed to run in the woods like they did in New York 40 years ago. "

Sad wrote on Jun 24, 2008 11:46 AM:

" And the Boy Scouts are displaced for a group of useless dope heads hanging out comparing thier tattoos and infestations while destroying the ecosystem on our public lands. How pathetically sad and bass-ackwards is this? "

Kent A wrote on Jun 24, 2008 1:54 PM:

" Well the boy scouts can go and camp elsewhere because the Rainbow Family can not be moved by the Government or anyone else. We own this country and will camp wherever we dam well please and if you dont like it then move to Iran. "

Richard wrote on Jun 24, 2008 2:25 PM:

" Message to the Wyoming ranchers and rednecks. You always thought you were free and independent. You're not. Take a look at some people who really are. "

Solution wrote on Jun 24, 2008 2:30 PM:

" Well now the Rainbows are there, the Boy Scouts will have a REAL restoration project to do when they are gone. Win-Win. "

Chris B wrote on Jun 24, 2008 4:12 PM:

" I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the Rainbow group intentionally chose this site after being told it wasn't a workable one just to cause this conflict. "

Emma J. wrote on Jun 24, 2008 4:41 PM:

" I've been to gatherings. All but a few Rainbows will be long gone before the boy scouts even get there. This is all political. The Forest Service "rainbow management team" showed up a week late and now they're putting out the spin to make it look like the poor FS did everything they could and blame it all on the Hippies. I feel very sad that the boy scouts got caught in the middle of this. "

Joe wrote on Jun 24, 2008 4:41 PM:

" I am sooooooo surprised the Rainbows wont alter their plans. They've always been all about THEM. They have this right, they have that right. Too bad others have had plans for the area long before they announced their gathering. I think their true personality is shown by their actions here. But then again, their actions are nothing new either. Hope you all have great camp. "

What wrote on Jun 24, 2008 4:43 PM:

" Richard, being poor, stoned, rootless and a public nusiance is not free or noble. Put down the pipe for a while. Reality is excellent if not impaired. "

wyocitizen wrote on Jun 24, 2008 5:29 PM:

" What a messed up situation. At this point we need to send in the military w/ riot gear, tear gas, and other means and kick those hippies out so the rest of us and our Boy Scouts can enjoy the land without the foul smell of hippies and pot in the air. After all, the Rainbows don't even have a permit. Also why does the Federal Govt allow them to dig latrines in the forest? Any other large group such as this would be required to move in porta potties which is the environmentally responsible action. Get some balls Forest Service! "

Capt. Obvious wrote on Jun 24, 2008 11:20 PM:

" Hey, great idea wyocitizen! After that we can start with some other minority groups, maybe there is a religious group or race which we don't like that could be next!

Seriously though, It is ridiculous and unethical to judge and a whole group of people based on a minority within that group. Saying 'those rainbows' are all anti-governmental pot-smokers with no respect for locals or the local environment is just like saying 'those blacks' or 'those jews'... Stereotyping a group of thousands based on the actions of one or two people is a dangerous thing to.

I agree, it is important to protect our natural environment, and to share the love of nature with our children. It is even more important to turn that love of our natural environment into a more positive direction.

For example, Blind Hatred of a group is not going to help protect the environment.

A more positive way to help protect the environment would be to ride a bike to work, carpool, reuse plastic bags (or use fabric ones), contribute to nature conservation groups... You get the idea. "

bryan wrote on Jun 25, 2008 1:43 AM:

" you folks should poke around the rainbow family websites www.welcomehome.org is a good place to start....there are news reports from past gatherings on how well the land was restored and how minimal the impact was.......like what was said above, the gathering ends july 7, the boy scouts were not due to arrive till the end of the month... i dunno, i'm not a friggin hippie, but these folks have been doin this for years and years with very few negative incidents...... and to wyocitizen above me......that statement is borderline naziism/fascism(oh and these folks know how to dig latrines and it is not unsanitary at all) "

froid wrote on Jun 25, 2008 6:39 AM:

" The Rainbows chose the site long before they were told of a conflict. Perhaps the Boy Scouts chose the site and date after the Rainbows had announced their dates and site. The Boy Scouts should have chosen a different site. The Boy Scout Eagle Scout program graduates a high percentage of murderers. No one knows why, but it is a fact. Maybe it's because they feel entitled over other groups and whine like sissies when they don't get their way. "

wow kent a wrote on Jun 25, 2008 8:06 AM:

" way to uphold the peacefulness of the rainbow group...sounds like you ran out of your dope... "

ummm bryan wrote on Jun 25, 2008 8:11 AM:

" thanks, but no thanks and in the future please don't do me any favors, really, don't. there are some things i choose to be ignorant about... "

Bystander wrote on Jun 25, 2008 8:21 AM:

" The Rainbow "family" has enough money to get to a location, but then they get food stamps, arrive in town to beg & scare off the tourists who are actually spending money. I am so glad they picked a spot far away from our town. When they were looking at a site close to us the Forest Service was told that they were to let them be, not interfere with how they set up and to tolerate them. That is ridiculous. There are rules that we all have to live by on Forest land and this group is allowed to blatantly ignore all of the rules the rest of us live by. In talking with people who have visited their sites in the past the odor of human waste, the flies, the lack of cleanliness and more is very prevelent. The aftermath has to be seen to believed. If we exposed our children to this type of environment, the government would come in and take them away. I have no problem with them as long as they are required to live by the same rules I am. "

hammertime wrote on Jun 25, 2008 10:48 AM:

" I think the Boy Scouta ought to have a "rumble with the rainbow's and I know the scout'a could "take em" "

DAVE wrote on Jun 25, 2008 1:31 PM:

" Boy Scouts are trying to do the right thing and perform free projects to improve things. Then we have these no working, leeches, potheads that get priority over a service project. WHAT IS WRONG HERE? Maybe we all should go on welfare and live off the land and do as we please. Have these people get jobs and work for a living like the rest of us have to.They wouldnt have time to gather for two weeks at a time or longer. "

Pam wrote on Jun 25, 2008 1:56 PM:

" This is shameful. I was neutral on the subject before, but now I am against the rainbow drfiter-losers. "

Fed Problem... Again wrote on Jun 25, 2008 5:10 PM:

" The Rainbows went where the Forest Service told them to go... Remember? There was a headline just the other day that said the rainbows were ordered into a new spot, and went. Sounds like the Forest Service double-booked, and chumped it. Not the stupid rainbows. "

rukidding wrote on Jun 25, 2008 9:19 PM:

" What makes me the maddest is that I have to call a phone number in New York to TRY to reserve a camp spot that is 20 miles from my house in WYOMING. Usually I can't get one. these folks can just pop a squat, dig holes inthe ground, lay water lines, etc and nothing happens. If I dig a shovel full of dirt on the forest to find a worm for fishing, I run the risk of a fine. Typical of a liberal mentality: those who obey the rules, have a job and produce for society are the criminals, while those who won't contribute to society are the "protected ones" go figure. I say elect more liberals that way this upside down thinking will be so common place we won't think twice about such idiotic stories. "

old grouch wrote on Jun 26, 2008 11:58 AM:

" Maybe the boy scouts could dart the Rainbows with scabies vaccine. This would build their marksmanship skills. "

Kent A. wrote on Jun 26, 2008 4:31 PM:

" Like I said, us Rainbow family have the right to use the forests that we own and the government is our servants. This Rey feller knew well in advance that we are going to be in Wyoming. He backed down because he knew we would fight them back like we did in Colorado, their road blocks mean nothing and if they want a fight then they can bring it on. We out number them by plenty and they know it. We will camp where we dam well please. "

rukidding wrote on Jun 26, 2008 9:34 PM:

" Kent A shows us the true colors of this so called peace and love movement. All is about peace and love as long as you love thier ways and leave them in peace. If you disagree, then watch out! as he says "bring it on, we out number them" inference I get from that is they will abandon thier peace movement when if suits them . I support our mission in the middle east, but I say let's bring some of the troops home to help patrol the anarchists in our midst. "

Kent algera wrote on Jun 27, 2008 1:42 PM:

" Heck Yea. Wouldnt you protect your family if there where jackbooted thugs with guns trying to keep you from praying in your church? Check out how we cleared them out in Colorado on Youtube.com Type in Rainbow Family

Next year we will be in another forest but the bills will still be paid by tax dollars. It would be much easier to get rid of the real problem which is the government, the number 1 reason for taxes in the first place.

Mark Rey made a deal with us and he cant go back on his word otherwise there would be hell to pay. Come on out to the gathering if you want to see how real amerikans school the forest service. "

Fandango Conscience wrote on Jun 27, 2008 5:13 PM:

" Real Rainbows do not use the internet. It is a tool of Babylon. Anyone on this blog who professes to be a Rainbow is a fraud, and a betrayor of Gaia. Blessed Be. "

wilwheaton wrote on Jun 27, 2008 9:05 PM:

" Just to think I served during two conflicts, ended up with a disability...just so this filthy flotsam...these draft dodgers...can outrank the boy scouts. Is this a great country or what "

Still-Beatin wilwheaton wrote on Jun 27, 2008 11:02 PM:

" wilwheaton, I'm a veteran too. I learned a long time ago not to let crazy people get you down. There's too many of them, in too many forms. Besides, if you don't like this country.... you can always leave. "

ChillOut wrote on Jun 28, 2008 4:10 AM:

" You guys need to alll chill out "

TooManyLIES wrote on Jun 28, 2008 12:17 PM:

" in response to post by:
Bystander wrote on Jun 25, 2008 8:21 AM:

" The Rainbow "family" has enough money to get to a location, but then they get food stamps, arrive in town to beg & scare off the tourists who are actually spending money. I am so glad they picked a spot far away from our town. When they were looking at a site close to us the Forest Service was told that they were to let them be, not interfere with how they set up and to tolerate them. That is ridiculous."
YOU SHOULD DO RESEARCH before you go spewing more of your ignorance. The rainbow gatherings bring in hundreds of thousands of dollars to many small communities near by. THE LOCAL towns benefit GREATLY from the kind flow of green energy that "those homeless hippies" spend in your community.. How indeed does a town see s surplus in profit for sales exceeding over $100,000 in a matter of two weeks, if your claim that all rainbows are poor, broke, and beggers?? You need a reality check.. The rainbow family is filled with every day folks who have real jobs-everything from lawyers, doctors, nurses, business owners etc.. Tolerance is under-rated in our society, and people with your mentality are the reason that humanity as a whole, continues to breed hate, predjudice, racism, sexism, and violence. "

old grouch wrote on Jun 30, 2008 8:51 AM:

" Can't the Boy Scouts and Rainbows share the camp site? I'm sure the Boy Scouts would enjoy some psyloscibin and nudity along with their s'mores. "

Kink wrote on Jun 30, 2008 10:06 AM:

" Commence rambling.

I am a hunter, fisherman, Westerner and live on acreage thats 40 miles to the nearest stop light. (Not that far compared to some.) I am a die-hard Libertarian that has consistently registered and voted Republican. I own 60+ guns and have never held one I didn't like. I am always armed and can take care of myself. Was a Scout. I would hold myself up to any of the posters on this group as a "typical" American that could be found in any Wyoming town.

On the other hand; Although I do not consider myself a Rainbow I have friends who are. I have been to the Gathering before and will be at this years. While we do not agree politically or in diet they are good, caring, respectful people. Sure, there are a few turds, they are not Rainbow, just hangers-on. But hey, look in your yearbook, local paper or family photo album. You're almost sure to find a picture of one there too. ( Maybe the mirror, dig into you're past and be honest. I have my Demons.) I would expect most Rainbows to help me if I was in a jam before any of you whiny "natives". (Just talking about the mean spirited ones, not all in general.)

It is kind of funny that everybody is up in arms about the Boy Scouts possibly choosing not to do a project that should be done by the Wyoming natives themselves. The fence removal, the stream erosion project, all of the problems being addressed by these projects are caused by ranching and should have been taken care of by you and yours. Get your butts up there and yank the fence yourselves. But, I am not anti-ranching, and am deeply indebted to the improvements and access they develop. (I love a good Porterhouse.) I feel the same way to some extent about mining. The problem is that nobody ever maintains these works and they turn into garbage and pollution that Boy Scouts and tax dollars have to deal with someday. My tax dollars, your tax dollars, Rainbow tax dollars. Be happy that you live in the West where you can have the rest of the U.S. taxpayers subsidize your piece of God's country. I am.

All you whining about permits, I know most of you do not use campgrounds (they are for city boys) and don't get permits. You camp or party at the end of a ranching or logging road and crap behind every tree in walking distance. Maybe you put a rock or empty beer can on the TP. The Rainbows do an awesome job cleaning up after themselves and anybody who says otherwise is ignorant or lying. Sure, there is impact. But they work hard to mitigate it. Remember that the next time you spin the wheels on your ATV, ruin someones water well with a gas rig or put a hundred head on a parched section. I was told the conflicting permit holder at the 2006 Colorado Gathering was a logging operation that was coming in later. (True or not I do not know.) Ever had your favorite spot in the woods logged? I have. I never saw a dime from it, the Government got a pittance and I haven't been able to use it since.

I will also bet more than one of you has a "Wilderness: Land of no uses" bumper sticker.

Think about it. It is called "National Forest" for a reason. So you can't go to that exact spot for a few weeks. Boo-hoo. You pulled up to your favorite spot and someone else was already there. I am sure it has happened before.

It is funny how when people get older and have kids, start to have a few possessions, that they then start judging everybody. Show your kids how to love, and make sure they never stop. Remember the innocence. God will judge each in their turn so you don't have to. Treat people with respect, forgive their shortcomings and you will be ready.

Cease rambling. "

Sam wrote on Jun 30, 2008 3:24 PM:

" With 25,000 rainbows the Boy Scouts project could be done in short order. We keep hearing how great these rainbows are, why don't they put some elbow grease behind the words and show us how great they all are by pulling up the fence while frolicking in nature and actually accomplish something good for nature (and for their name in public). "

Oly wrote on Jun 30, 2008 3:56 PM:

" Yeah, why don't the rainbows put forth a show of good will and complete the Scout project? "

old grouch wrote on Jun 30, 2008 4:33 PM:

" Good idea Sam, but I believe the Rainbows are too busy running around naked and smoking pot and spreading scabies amongst themselves to do any "good". Perhaps the Boy Scouts could help them out instead by flouridating their water source and giving 20,000 haircuts and spraying for lice. "

etownwyo wrote on Jul 1, 2008 8:43 AM:

" We had them in Evanston in 03.This was a disgusting experience to have while they were passing to there camp site. They sit around begging for money outside the stores. Like we owe them money. When you get off work and that is just what you want to see dirty hippies with there hands out. They were swimming in the river and I guess that was there bath. But if they are about Environmentalism why do they contaminate our water. I say run the drug dogs in there camps and bus them to jail. I feel for the people who are putting up with them. It is a terrible experience. "

Edna wrote on Jul 1, 2008 11:14 AM:

" I think that the glove has been cast. The rainbows have a challenge; pull out the fence that the scouts were going to remove and show some good will. Wyoming has graciously hosted their event this year and turn about is fair play. Show us what you're made of rainbow family. This granny has not made up her mind about you folks yet, push me into the positive zone with a good deed. "

anon wrote on Jul 1, 2008 1:47 PM:

" The problem is that they probably wouldn't know which fence, nor how to do it. It would involve working with the government for selfless purpose. I don't think that's what they are about. They may preach about love and espouse helping others, but that's just a smoke screen (haha, a pun), and from what I know of them and have heard from folks that have to put up with them, that the Rainbows are for themselves and others like THEM. They don't care at all about others nor do they really care about the rights of others. Just themselves. "

Cindy wrote on Jul 1, 2008 4:53 PM:

" Let's allow these rainbow people to prove or to disprove all of the rhetoric.

Either they are or they are not good and all about the environment.

Pull out that old fence rainbows and show us that you are more than empty words in a blog. "

KeepEmOut wrote on Jul 3, 2008 3:39 PM:

" I say the next time they want to come to Wyoming, let's start a petition - I think a half a million people who DON'T want them in this state is a lot more powerful than the few that DO.
Who's with me? We all got guns! "

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