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Jeffery Lee Carter, a homeless man, sits in court on Monday during his initial appearance. Carter was charged with second-degree murder in connection with a Friday night stabbing death. Photo by CHRISTINE ROBINSON, Star-Tribune.

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By JOSHUA WOLFSON
Star-Tribune staff writer

Tuesday, July 22, 2008 7:19 AM MDT

Prosecutors charged a homeless man Monday with murder in connection with the stabbing of a former Marine.

A Casper man and a teenager, meanwhile, face charges of aiding and abetting murder in the death of Johnny Shane Moody, a father of four who was found Friday night on the 700 block of East A Street with apparent stab wounds to the heart and back.

Witnesses told police several men assaulted Moody near the area where he was found, according to an affidavit signed by Casper police detective Stacia Francisco. One witness said a man, later identified as Jeffery Lee Carter, made a motion toward Moody, who then grabbed at his chest and appeared to be bleeding.

Carter, who is accused of second-degree murder, was found hiding in some bushes shortly after the stabbing. Police say they found two lighters and a folding knife in the area.

The 16-year-old boy, Juan Carlos Diaz, told a detective Carter stabbed Moody, according to the affidavit. Diaz and another man, 21-year-old Jonathan Jermain Jelsma, told police they participated in Moody's assault.

Both men are charged with aiding and abetting second-degree murder.

Jelsma told police the assault took place after Moody was involved in a physical confrontation with a woman, where each person punched the other. Francisco's affidavit did not offer further details about the confrontation.

Several people fled when a police lieutenant arrived in the area just after 10 p.m. on Friday. The lieutenant followed Moody down an alley and found him partially under a vehicle. Moody was taken to Wyoming Medical Center, where he was pronounced dead.

In an interview with investigators, Carter denied knowing anything about the incident, according to the affidavit. Police say he had blood on his shirt and shorts, and what appeared to be blood on his hands.

On Monday afternoon, Carter, Jelsma and Diaz made their first appearance in Natrona County Circuit Court. If convicted, all three would face 20 years to life behind bars.

Diaz appeared confused when Judge Michael Huber asked whether he understood the charges against him.

"I didn't really hurt that guy," he told the judge.

When the judge began to read the detective's affidavit out loud, he was interrupted by Diaz.

"Do you know who stabbed the guy?" Diaz asked.

In contrast, Carter spoke only to answer procedural questions from the judge. He told the court he was homeless and had come to Casper from Atlanta.

Carter, appearing in court wearing shackles and a green jail uniform, asked for a court-appointed attorney. His bond was set at $500,000.

Prosecutors said Carter had felony convictions in other states.

Jelsma told the court he has been in Casper for seven to eight years. Prosecutors say he has several misdemeanor arrests and was on the verge of having his probation revoked.

When asked by Huber if he had anything to say about his bond, Jelsma said he would like to get out of jail and make his life better. The judge set his bond at $250,000.

Huber set Diaz's bond at $100,000.

Funeral arrangements for Moody are pending.

Reach crime reporter Joshua Wolfson at (307) 266-0582 or at josh.wolfson@trib.com.


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carry wrote on Jul 22, 2008 7:39 AM:

" makes one more intested in carrying a weapon to defend themselves even in little ole casper which has no crime nor bad guys.

Biting ears off and stabbing folks must be weekend entertainment now? "

april wrote on Jul 22, 2008 8:36 AM:

" Casper isn't the safe little community we used to be, that's for sure. I don't feel safe walking alone anymore, especially in certain parts of town, including my neighborhood. It's easy to distance yourself when you don't know the victim or accused, but the truth is, it's all around us. . . . but for the grace of God, therego I. "

Tyler F wrote on Jul 22, 2008 10:18 AM:

" That's diversity for you! "

AmP wrote on Jul 22, 2008 11:47 AM:

" I feel Casper has gone way down hill in this community, There are 4times the crime now then when it was when i first moved here. i think it had gone crazy. i feel that nobody are not safe walking around casper, without getting assualted or hurt or whatever.

i hope these mens get Prision time big time!!

RIP to Mr. Moody. "

NotGonnaTakeIt wrote on Jul 22, 2008 12:59 PM:

" Time to get that CCW... "

CAT wrote on Jul 22, 2008 1:23 PM:

" I've known this man for several years, and he has never been of a violent nature. He was always a loving a gentle man. thinking about his family and friends. Helping those that need help. It's a shame a person has to die such a violent death. Rest in Peace Johnny Moody, You will be miss by your family and Friends "

martyk wrote on Jul 22, 2008 2:44 PM:

" These types of crimes are going to get worse. I know this sounds bad but if he found guilty they need to execute him not put him in the pen. Think about this people. A homeless man moves to wyoming who has a criminal record kills a man and we throw him in jail. That sending a message to homeless people go to wyoming and kill a parent and they will put a roof over your head and feed you and give you free medical. Sounds like a good option to me. "

action_needed wrote on Jul 22, 2008 5:17 PM:

" Its time to step up the penalty to remind them dont do the crime unless you want to do the time , but in this case dont do the crime unless your prepared to fry instead of doing time. "

Bennie K. wrote on Jul 22, 2008 8:27 PM:

" John Moody wasnt perfect just like any of us but he wasnt exatly imperfect either the man had heart and desire to live a decent life. John unfortunatly was probably was in the wrong place at the wrong time. These idiots who killed him are getting off very easily in this big state of ours... To kil a man under those conditions in that fashion for no real reason is PLUM PATHETIC! To the idiots who did this be thankful their is a constitution and some civility. Back in the old days you wouldn't be recieving tax payers support of room board and some saftey. RIP John! "

old friend wrote on Jul 23, 2008 9:53 AM:

" Ya put peoples comments on there that are only nice about him. "for no real reason" give me a break! "

Kaylee wrote on Jul 24, 2008 3:45 PM:

" Ok people i know it was horrible mr. Moody died but you dont even know! Whatever may have happened that night had to have been for reason. Jeffrey was not a horrible person! Many lives were destroyed that night including the accused. Jeffrey may have been homeless but he had friends!! "

Unbelievable wrote on Jul 24, 2008 8:18 PM:

" A Veteran fights for his Country and then is stabbed to death in Casper, Wyoming...UNBELIEVABLE!!! "

nfnvet wrote on Jul 25, 2008 4:55 PM:

" I worked with Johnny and have talked to seveal other of his former co-workers.There are two things we all agree on.Johhny drank alot but was the nicest guy you could ever meet.RIP Johnny. "

zach wrote on Jul 25, 2008 9:52 PM:

" I recommend more casper citizens obtain a ccw permit and start carrying a firearm to protect yourselfs... that is the the only thing these animals will understand. "

Justice wrote on Jul 26, 2008 1:51 PM:

" How come none of our great Casper residents are talking trash on the police? I guess the Casper Police Department did come through on this case just like all the other murders in this city recently and found the suspects and put them before a judge. All this city does is bad mouth the police and they really have no idea what the police are doing for them on a daily basis. I would like to see just one day without the police and then you would have something to read about in the paper. "

TomT wrote on Jul 26, 2008 8:37 PM:

" Justice, you need to get over yourself. It ain't always about you. This story isn't about the police either. It's about a murder. You are making a perfect point though, by demonstrating how you try to turn it into talking about yourself. Guess what,,, the entire world isn't sitting around focused on you and your occupation. We appreciate what you do, along with fireman, soldiers, plumbers, welders, nurses, store clerks, IE anyone who improves our quality of life. Now shut up and get back to work. "

OpenCarry wrote on Jul 27, 2008 11:22 AM:

" Along the lines of concealed weapons, remember that Wyoming is an open carry state - if you legally own a firearm you can carry it on your person as long as it is in plain view. "

For The Love of God wrote on Jul 28, 2008 12:05 AM:

" I guess you're all right. It's clear that people continue to murder one another because there aren't enough people carrying concealed firearms, and the great American justice system it too easy on everyone.

If you ask me, we should all carry guns hidden in our pants or coats! Then there wouldn't be any crime at all! I also think that life imprisonment isn't nearly enough punishment for anything! Let's put some heads on some posts at the city entrances, and the state borders at that! And if an innocent person ends up on a post from time to time it's for the greater good. Learn to take one for the team! Show people what happens if you commit second degree murder. That'd teach 'em!

You've got to be kidding me. "

Exactly wrote on Jul 28, 2008 8:48 AM:

" Good point TomT...it takes a little of every occupation to make the world go around. If my sewer is backed up or my car is broken down, it won't do me any good to call the cops. Get over yourself Justice; have another doughnut and realize that your occupation is no more or less important than anyone else's. This story wasn't about the police at all; it was about a criminal killing an innocent man. If anything it was positive toward the police, as it does say that the police caught the suspect. So stop whining! "

Juan wrote on Jul 28, 2008 12:27 PM:

" One firearm in the right hands could have stopped this from happening at all. "

Harmony wrote on Jul 28, 2008 12:29 PM:

" By the way, note who these killers are and then check the national stats as to who is commiting most of our killings. Draw your own conclusions, and then take steps to protect your family. "

Marna wrote on Jul 28, 2008 1:08 PM:

" East LA is coming to a Wyoming town near you. Get ready for it, we can't stop the liberals brave new world. "

Moonbeam wrote on Jul 28, 2008 3:42 PM:

" Its not the killers fault. They had hard lives growing up and are misunderstood. They need love in the form of more of your tax dollars to help them become self-actualized and whole people, medical marjuana would also help and yoga too. The man they killed would be the first to understand and help them as would his parentless children now too. Let's all join hands and chant shall we! "

The Reality wrote on Jul 28, 2008 7:58 PM:

" Juan, the CCW crowd,

A Bullets fired with the best of intentions, coming from a gun in "the right hands," can still accidentally find its way through a wall into the head of a sleeping child. Is that right? Should that innocent child (or any innocent person) be asked to take one for "the team?" Isn't the death of one innocent bystander one too many? And don't you dare try to tell me that you wouldn't all be calling for heads in that scenario!

Real life doesn't always have one of the happy endings that we've all come to expect. Sometimes accidents happen and the "good and just" citizen doesn't triumph over the "evil criminal." Sometimes the good man accidentally kills a child, father, mother, etc. And then what?
Lori,

In the end we're all dead. Do not tell me that the end is all that matters, and that the details (our lives) are merely trivial side notes. I'm certain you don't believe that. "

Steve wrote on Jul 28, 2008 9:58 PM:

" Harmony,

There is no way you're implying what I think you are. Do you know the difference because between causation and correlation? I suggest you look into it before you form anymore opinions. I only wish you wouldn't have started thinking without this advice. "

Harmony wrote on Jul 29, 2008 11:08 AM:

" Steve,

Do the math.

Look at the break down of our US population by percentage.

Then look at the break down of the populations, by percentage in our criminal justice system currently.

These folks got there for a reason.

No one made them commit their crimes.

Is this profiling, ethnic or racial bias?

No more so than ID'ing a suspect by hair and eye color, they are human descriptors.

If blond haired blue eyed folks of Scandinavian descent were at the heart of the problem, would you then also protest?

We need to have the guts to ID problems and then work to solve them, not obfuscate the truth and hide behind PC cowardice.

If a group has not acculturated into American society for some reason, we must learn why and fix that failure.

In the mean time we must be honest in our attempts to promote public safety for the greater good.

All Americans deserve to live in safety, without fear and have a chance at making their own prosperity no matter who they are or from what back ground that came.

Fair is fair. The rules must apply evenly to all, all of the time regardless of race, creed, color, religion or immigration status. "

Steve wrote on Jul 29, 2008 3:22 PM:

" Harmony,

You're argument is frustrating to me. You claim to be analysing the facts, but you are not looking at nearly enough information. You are only using the statistics that strengthen your shallow and incorrect conclusions. This isn't an issue of being politically correct. This is an issue of understanding why things happen. Did you ever think that poverty plays a role in who goes to jail? Do you think that a person is more likely to stay out of jail if he can afford an expensive criminal defense lawyer, instead of having to default to a court appointed attorney? Do you think there may be more factors than you're considering?

You are fundementally implying that being black, being a minority makes, makes a person more likely to commit a crime (I'm going to reduce my argument to being black vs being white to make my point). And I don't care what you say, that is what you're doing. This, is not at all correct. Being black does not predispose a person to be a criminal, and being white does not predispose a person to be a good law abiding citizen. What it may do, in some cases, is put a young person into a situation which makes taking part in criminal activity more or less likely. Or, more or less likely to be punished for his actions. Your statistics are not damning evidence. You are implying that a persons race, color, creed is what determines if a person will take part in criminal actvity. The issue isn't the blackness or whiteness, it's significantly more complicated than the pie chart break downs that compare color and incarceration rates.

Now, does this excuse that a person has committed a crime? No, not at all. Should people be held accountable for their crimes regardless of race, color, and creed equally? Absolutely. Is the justice system perfect? No. Is it flawed? Yes. Do I wish that crime rates were lower? Of course. Do I think that certain areas and groups could be the target of projects to lower crime rate? Yes. But don't you dare imply that locking up minorities (or even those who are predisposed to commit crimes because of extenuating circumstances) will solve our problems.

If there anyone in this debate who obfuscates the truth, it is you, and those who agree with you.

Oh, and one final question. Would you sacrifice your family, your friends, your life for the greater good? I don't for a moment believe you would. The greater good is a concept that's significantly harder to support when things get personal, which they always are for somebody. "

Juan wrote on Jul 29, 2008 3:54 PM:

" The Reality, With a firearm he would have had a chance to defend his own life. If we fear every possible far flung, low probability bad out come in every situation no one would ever leave their own bed each morning. Your argument is weak and whiny. "

Brannigan wrote on Jul 29, 2008 4:07 PM:

" Harmony is right in that some minority groups seem to be most of who is in jail. Over represented is the math term. No one asked them to become a statistic, they did that on their own. It isn't because they are profiled or otherwise targeted by the police. It is because even in our limp wristed justice system we are getting conviction on these people for the crimes that they are committing. Last week an illegal alien from El Salvador killed a father and his two sons in San Francisco. This illegal alien was protected by the sanctuary city policies of San Francisco for years and allowed to remain in the area and was never turned over to Immigration by the city or state of California for his many previous crimes. He was in fact sheltered in a group home (to rehabilitate him at tax payer cost) they moved him to in San Bernardino. I wonder how well served the surviving members of that family now feel after the loss of the father and his two sons at the hands of someone that should have been out of this country for many years? It seems that some in America think that we deserve to be killed, raped and robbed by other groups merely because we are not in a minority. I wonder how you will feel when it is your turn to face that criminal alone and unprotected? Do we have the guts any more to face the truth and deal with it? Being from an immigrant background myself I under stand the importance of learing a new culture and abiding by its laws if you want to suceed in this wonderful nation. We need to teach others this lesson too and also punish those that fail to do so. "

victoria wrote on Jul 29, 2008 6:26 PM:

" i worked with johnny at tuboscope and he was a great guy. he liked to flirt and make me smile but what you people must not know is that jeffery wasnt homeless we called him jay and he worked at tuboscope just like jonathan whom we called cleo. they both lived with johhny and he helped them with food and money and a job and a place to live. so it was no strange accident. those two guys knew him and we all worked together. yall should be ashamed of yourselves. "

Steve wrote on Jul 29, 2008 9:07 PM:

" I failed to proof my last post and I apologize. Please forgive my grammatical errors and typos. "

TomT wrote on Jul 29, 2008 9:23 PM:

" So "The Reality", I notice you are a bleeding heart liberal: You rant against guns by presenting an imaginary victim of gun violence, using words like "sleeping child", "innocent child", "(or any innocent person)", or "innocent bystander". You must not realize there have always been victims in the world, with or without guns. In my world, my guns protect the people in my world from being real victims of real crime and violence. In your make believe world, bullets never stop crime, they just seek out innocent babies to harm, like evil little cruise missiles bent on destruction.
Silly libs... "

The Reality wrote on Jul 29, 2008 9:48 PM:

" Oh come on Jaun!

Do you really think a gun would have improved this situation!? In response to your criticism, do you really think the world would be a safer place if more people were walking around with concealed weapons? How could that possibly have a positive outcome? Also, be sure to note that a huge percentage of the population would have to carry concealed weapons to deter crime on any noteworthy level.

Also, you yourself are guilty of exactly what you accuse me of. Don't you think an innocent person getting randomly stabbed to death (note this is in no way a reference to Moody's situation) is pretty far flung. Do you think that carrying around a gun all the time is a reasonable response to the extremely low likelihood that you may get attacked at sometime in your life? Don't you think that there could possibly be some negative results (say accidents, or a flare in temper that results in a murder instead of a simple verbal or physical confrontation, or a simple misunderstanding, or say that alcohol comes into the picture) to carrying around a gun ALL the time? How is my situation anymore ridiculous than that? Come on man. How is that any less far flung? Seriously? You're level of paranoia is significant;y higher than mine.

Maybe it would be best if we didn't find our ways into situations where people want to stab us to death. Perhaps a gun isn't the situation. Possibly it's a lifestyle issue. Also, if you find yourself headed into a situation in which you decide to pack a personal protection hand gun maybe you should reconsider what you're about to do. But who am I to be advising you reasonable, calculated people. "

No Way wrote on Jul 29, 2008 10:11 PM:

" Brannigan, have you ever heard that something is an anomaly, and not a rule? The news story you are relating about illegal immigration is an anomaly. As far as your first point, the conclusion you're drawing is just wrong. try to beat your way through Steve's post.

And for the love of God, work on your points. You can do better than that. "

Rosalio wrote on Jul 30, 2008 11:31 AM:

" No Way, You are completely and incontrovertibly wrong. Search the news papers of Southern California and you will read daily many reports of robberies, burglaries and so on all committed by "recent immigrants, undocumented immigrants, undocumented workers, migrant workers, etc..." and many other euphemisms for illegal aliens. This is no anomaly, this has become the norm and is an unacceptable, alarming trend across the boarder states and elsewhere. Search on "Ramos and Compion" and see what these Boarder Patrol Agents did to get tossed into the slammer and who they were trying to apprehend, specifically this illegal drug smuggler's background and his crimes now post the trial of those two Boarder Patrol Agents. A complete miscarriage of justice all around. We can't hide behind PC any longer. It is consuming us. No matter how bad the left wants to be able to bribe votes out of these "new to the nation folks" or the right wants the cheap slave labor, we've got to stop this and correct it. "

Lincoln wrote on Jul 30, 2008 11:43 AM:

" I disagree. There are groups in the nation that are profiled and targeted.

If you are male, Caucasian, Christian and working, you are a target and a victim.

The democrats are all after you and so are the many government programs set up by them.

Of course, if you stand up for your rights, you will be called a racist and made a public outcast.

Is this what America has come to? Is this what all of us really think is fair and want for our society? "

No Way wrote on Jul 30, 2008 12:32 PM:

" Rosalio,

I'm not going to be at all clever in my response. I'm just going to be blunt and tell you why you are wrong. You are still dealing with anomalies. Are there illegal immigrants that are committing crimes? Yes, of course there are. But I ask you, how many illegal immigrants do you think there are in this country? How many are committing crimes? To act as if all illegal immigrants are committing crimes (and don't give me any of that invader crap, I'm talking about robberies, burglaries, murders, rapes, drug smuggling, etc.) is ridiculous. To even act like the percentage of the illegal immigrant committing crimes is high is ridiculous. Do you think that those who are not breaking the law are drawing press coverage? Do we ever see headlines that say "15 million illegal immigrants have uneventful day at work, return home, have lite dinner, and go to sleep?" Do we hear the stories of the people who work here and lead uneventful law abiding lives? No! We only hear the completely ridiculous attention grabbing stories that get people fired up. I only say it one more time. The criminals are the anomaly, not the rule, and you are pretending that just the opposite is true. Pleas stop.

This is not an argument. This is a situation in which I have the facts and I am right. You are simply not. It's not debatable, it's not debatable. Be wrong all you like, but please don't promote your incorrect views and create more confusion in this difficult situation. "

Rosalio wrote on Jul 30, 2008 4:51 PM:

" No Way, Saying that you are right does not make that the truth. That argument is called self-affirmation (e.g. God is great because he is God). You prove nothing. The stats stand for themselves. Illigal aliens are on the whole a more dangerous subgroup within our society than many other groups as proven by the stats. "

Juan wrote on Jul 30, 2008 5:20 PM:

" The Reality; Yes, the world would be a safer place if everyone that could legally own a firearm and carry it, did so. Many excellent training programs are availible and all should be required (all CC holders now must do so) to complete one of these course successfully as well as all checks now required by law. Law abiding, sane folks should be extended trust first in America, not after they've been killed or other wise wronged by criminals. Then it is to late of course. But this is commonsense. "

The Reality wrote on Jul 30, 2008 7:38 PM:

" For the love of God Juan,

I'm not going to address your argument on any meaningful level because you've decided not to address my points seriously. Instead you've decided to imagine reality in a completely abstract and ridiculous way.

I mean, just logistically speaking how is anything you're suggesting even remotely possible? How could we possibly arm all our citizens and ensure that they knew how to operate guns safely? It's simply irresponsible and silly to argue as you are now. You've decided to turn the world into some crazy gun toting utopia.

I agree that "law abiding, sane folks should be extended trust first in America." But I don't know that, that means that everyone who can theoretically own a gun should carry one at all times. And even if I did think that, there's no way that could happen. I mean Jesus Juan, you might as well be saying that the world would be a safer place if all cars had governors installed at the factory that made it impossible for anyone to ever drive over 5 mph.

There are a lot of things that would make the world a safer place that are completely impractical and just plain bad policy. Now this, my friend, is commonsense. "

Miss G wrote on Jul 31, 2008 2:29 AM:

" Okay people enough about carrying concealed weapons etc., Yes what happened was a tragic event but the answer isn't " let's all arm ourselves and go forward " that's idiotic and un called for what we need to fight for is stronger enforcement of laws in Wyoming for MURDERERS. As it is we as a state will prosecute a drug user to the fullest extent and slap a child molester, murderer, rapist on the back and guarentee them all the benefits they can get when they return from their vacation in the Big House. The laws of this State will not put these people away for long. They never do... but let it be an alcoholic or drug user on a simple case that doesn't involve murder and you will see the law prevail. I have sat in many courts to see it happen. If you want to get armed then do it by changing the pathetic sentences they give murderers in this state along with child molesters, rapists, etc., "

Elle wrote on Jul 31, 2008 11:27 AM:

" The Reality, Your personal interjection of ideas not presented by Juan and your attempt to ridicule his offered ideas tells the rest of us a lot about you and your character. No where did Juan say that carrying a firearm would be compulsory, you imagined that aspect of the argument. If it was assumed that all citizens were armed at all times, where they were or not, what would be the functional difference from today were it is assumed that all citizens are unarmed? The difference is that far fewer bad people would be likely to assault them or otherwise approach them with nefarious intentions. The weak, elderly and women principally, would not be so readily available a target of convenience for the criminally minded then. This would protect society as a whole and force bad people to reconsider their planned actions against others. After all is the possibility of snatching a purse worth the possibility of getting shot? Today, they get the purse without any fear of personal injury or even being caught. "

The Reality wrote on Jul 31, 2008 2:23 PM:

" Elle,

Did you even read our complete interaction? I feel that you're jumping to conclusions. Juan said, "the world would be a safer place if everyone that could legally own a firearm and carry it, did so." What I said was that logistically it's ridiculous to even suggest that as a realistic solution to crime. How could we possibly accomplish that as a society, as the human race? It's simply unrealistic and it's silly to pretend that it could happen. (And if anyone dare bring Switzerland into this I'm really going to lose it). "

No Way wrote on Jul 31, 2008 2:27 PM:

" Rosalio,

I like that you decided to take issues with the last few sentences of my post. I find it interesting that you didn’t address any of the content of my actually argument. My last section was nothing more than me being obnoxious. But you want to know what? I’m saying I’m right because I actually am right. I stand by it, but that wasn’t the point. Please consider what I’m actually saying if you want to keep talking. Oh, and just for the books, if I were interested in arguing about truth and affirmations of being correct I think that would get us a little off topic. And where for the love of God did you get your statistics? I think that best case scenario you are not understanding them properly, worst case scenario you just made them up. One more time my friend, Do we ever see headlines that say "15 million illegal immigrants have uneventful day at work, return home, have lite dinner, and go to sleep?" "

Yan wrote on Jul 31, 2008 3:26 PM:

" No Way, Until one of your beloved 15 million illegal aliens turns out to be a radical Muslim sleeper agent and he blows up a school full of kids because we didn't know he was here, didn't know who he was and had no control over our nations boarders and who was crossing them or when. I am unwilling to keep taking that risk. You and your thinking are dangerous and treasonous. I am also unwilling to keep seeing American unemployed while illegal aliens take there jobs in construction, meat processing plants, landscaping, the services industries and all manner of other vocations and businesses because they will work for lower wages and because many have skills that Americans no longer possess, but should. "

No Way wrote on Jul 31, 2008 3:59 PM:

" Yan,

I don't even know where to begin with you. All I'm saying is that not all illegal immigrants are out committing crimes against humanity. That's all. I've even dared to say that number of illegal immigrants committing crimes is probably negligible.

Your point about blowing up a school is weak. How can we ensure that a born and raised American won't do that? How can we, as a society, ensure that you won't do that? How do we know that you're not a member of a radical Muslim sleeper cell with an elaborate cover story including the occasional star tribune comment? Hmm? "

Archer wrote on Jul 31, 2008 4:27 PM:

" I'd rather take my chances being judged by 12, than buried by six. Without a personal firearm at hand I am just the next victum. I at the least want a chance at survival. "

JOHN G. wrote on Aug 8, 2008 3:35 PM:

" JUAN CARLOS DIAZ IS INNOCENT "

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