THEA ADAMO
Perspective
The Sept. 23 Natrona County Commissioner’s meeting was well attended by many concerned local citizens, as well as board members from the family advocacy organization WyWatch. The membership of WyWatch is made up of individuals from throughout the state of Wyoming who are devoted to the preservation of society through strong family values.
These citizens had gathered to voice their opinions regarding the 4-to-1 decision by the governing board to grant Sonny Pilcher another permit to open an establishment under the misnomer of "gentleman’s club." In plain language, a "strip club."
The attendees, who were unanimous in their opposition to the strip club, were treated by the commissioners with respect and allowed to air their grievances, which they did in an orderly and eloquent fashion. It was surprising how many had set aside their busy schedules to come and be heard; even bringing their well-behaved children so that they could attend.
The commissioners lauded them for their research and speaking abilities, and then proceeded with business as usual, by defending their previous decision to grant the permit, regardless of any arguments that were made. Once again they demonstrated that many public "servants" look down on the citizenry with condescension and disdain.
The law, as interpreted by the county attorney, supposedly allows for a strip club to be opened. However, such an "allowance" does not create an "unalienable right" for proprietors to open indecent establishments. Rights are clearly spelled out in the U.S. and Wyoming Constitutions, and the degradation of society through the promotion of lewdness is not among them. Such a flimsy argument being the basis for the board’s decision, the supporting votes of Chairman Rob Hendry, Vice Chairwoman Barb Peryam, Terry Wingerter, and Jon Campbell can only be called into question by a citizenry that neither wants nor endorses any of this sordid mess.
Natrona County residents are not alone in their frustration when attempting to work inside a weak and tepid body of decision makers. Rock Springs has recently overstepped the boundaries of "individual rights" and created a daytime curfew in town for anyone under the age of 18. People in this age group can now be harassed and fined if they merely do not possess the proper "papers." It seems that the governing elements of several of Wyoming’s counties increasingly infringe on the rights of upstanding people, while granting license to others who debase their communities.
Apparently, the Natrona County Commissioners do not think that their community rates any right of protection as worded in our Wyoming Constitution, and which the commissioners were elected to uphold. Rather, they show total deference to one individual with lurid business interests, while ignoring its corrosive effects on the good people of the surrounding area.
This point was well stated by the only dissenting vote to this travesty in Casper, Commissioner Matt Keating. He alone stood up for the general population of the county while the remainder of the board appears to be taking their marching orders from another source, not so friendly to the family unit.
For the people of Natrona County, only one recourse remains. Citizens must become informed and search through the paper for the small notices of important meetings that they need to attend. The media will not make this task easy, so success will require perseverance. But the cost of inaction far outweighs any efforts involved.
Next, they must promote candidates who reinforce what is good about our communities; support them, promote them and get them elected to office.
Inaction creates an environment wherein our freedoms are diminished or forfeited to the likes of Pilcher, thereby allowing him and his kind to seize rights that were once ours. Small men with power are dangerous to a decent community. But empowerment of the local citizens can re-establish community standards, and turn the tide. Such power comes through education, organization and above all, action.
Thea Adamo serves as communication director for WyWatch, a state-wide family advocacy organization.
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BULL wrote on Sep 28, 2008 3:58 AM:
Veronica R Bradshaw wrote on Sep 28, 2008 9:51 AM:
It would be great if our news reporters both on TV and in the paper would keep us informed of important upcoming meetings/ agendas BEFORE and not after the fact. I do appreciate that News 13 did represent us fairly accurately -- thank you; however it is a little, too late.
"He has told you, O Man what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?" Micah 6:8 "
Agree wrote on Sep 28, 2008 10:04 AM:
Senatez wrote on Sep 28, 2008 10:55 AM:
The citizens speaking before the commission did so in an 'orderly and eloquent fashion.'
The commission reportedly responded with 'condescension and disdain.'
Another sign of desperation is the overreaching language, 'corrosive effects on the good people ... .'
Let's get that little conceptual snag out of the way first. Truly good people care about others without judgment. The bum off the freight and the stripper with tattoos still get respect because they are people. This writing is so loaded with judgment it is scary.
The scariest part is the stated purpose of the organization for which the writer speaks. WyWatch aims for the 'preservation of society.'
There's the real misnomer. Society will continue to exist without WyWatch. What they want to do is 'change' society from the 'sordid mess' that it is to a place where all the children are 'well-behaved' and people with their fundamentalist values get to decide what people can and can't do.
And that's where the desperation is coming from: The writer is frustrated that teenagers in Rock Springs can be stopped without cause, but yet we don't have that kind of heavy handed control here in Natrona County. Watch out, indeed. "
CowboyBob wrote on Sep 28, 2008 1:53 PM:
Brown Eyes wrote on Sep 28, 2008 2:10 PM:
Veronica R Bradshaw wrote on Sep 28, 2008 3:24 PM:
In the News13 broadcast, Fallon Smith said that over 50 protesters from Natrona County gathered "to point the finger at Sonny Pilcher..."
and Thea in her article states, "...to the likes of Pilcher..."
I stated in a previous comment that I thought Thea's letter to the editor was well stated. After thinking about it this morning, I still think it is, with the exception of the above quote. Mr Pilcher is made in the image of God as are all humans, and as such, deserves respect. I did not, nor did I hear anyone who showed up at the County Commissioner's meeting on Tuesday personally attack Mr Pilcher.
The arguments at the meeting focused on the derogatory primary and secondary effects that the strip club will have in our community, and the disappointment by the people in 4 of our 5 County Commissioners. Also, Matt Keating was thanked and appreciated by many for his stand on moral grounds, which is supported by Wyoming law. You may email him at mkeating@bresnan.net and he will explain it much more clearly than I could.
As followers of Christ, we are called to love and pray. And that, we will certainly be doing. "
Sheila Leach wrote on Sep 28, 2008 4:38 PM:
Look here wrote on Sep 28, 2008 5:25 PM:
qwerty wrote on Sep 28, 2008 5:34 PM:
Danna Pedry wrote on Sep 28, 2008 7:39 PM:
hmmmm wrote on Sep 28, 2008 8:09 PM:
They talk of diminished freedom in a case such as this but have no problem diminishing the freedom of any other faith, agnostic, athiest ect. looks like fred phelps has competition as the christian minority sallys forth in Wyoming. "
Frances Burns wrote on Sep 28, 2008 8:57 PM:
Mary wrote on Sep 28, 2008 9:05 PM:
Redeemed wrote on Sep 28, 2008 10:16 PM:
cynthia l. wrote on Sep 29, 2008 9:06 AM:
Bad apples always end up rotting. Their day will come (hopefully sooner than later). "
Christinaj wrote on Sep 29, 2008 11:06 AM:
Terry Winship wrote on Sep 29, 2008 11:17 AM:
Whatever wrote on Sep 29, 2008 1:24 PM:
If their were to be some sort of referendum on the ballot this November, or any other November that we could all vote on whether we want (or don't)strip clubs or similar establishments then I think we could have a great debate about this issue. Until then the bast thing we can do is vote with our dollars and not patronize the club, and encourage everyone else we know not to either. "
Simple Solution wrote on Sep 29, 2008 1:27 PM:
Alliance for Sensible Stripping wrote on Sep 29, 2008 2:50 PM:
Doris wrote on Sep 29, 2008 3:09 PM:
Right Wing and Proud of It wrote on Sep 29, 2008 3:13 PM:
Brenda wrote on Sep 29, 2008 3:44 PM:
I Think wrote on Sep 29, 2008 4:13 PM:
Sandi wrote on Sep 29, 2008 4:18 PM:
un-whatever wrote on Sep 29, 2008 6:59 PM:
So, if their is a demand for cocain or meth then it should be legal to sell it? What about killing people for money?If their is good demand then is it OK? "
GiantSS wrote on Sep 29, 2008 8:07 PM:
Why Is It wrote on Sep 29, 2008 9:22 PM:
yay wrote on Sep 29, 2008 9:24 PM:
Freedom wrote on Sep 29, 2008 10:25 PM:
Trina M wrote on Sep 29, 2008 10:45 PM:
BULL wrote on Sep 30, 2008 7:51 AM:
Whatever wrote on Sep 30, 2008 8:37 AM:
Don't twist and confuse my arguments here. The legality of a strip club is open for discussion and debate. If we as a community don't want strip clubs in the city, county, or state then we need to petition our councils, commisions, and legislatures to make these establishments illegal. We can put it to a vote of the people on the ballot. (it's a bit late for this November, but it could be done in the next election) If we don't want these establishments we can make them illegal. I have no problem with doing that. Until such time though, strip clubs remain legal, and we should not attempt to restrict the opening of one through dubious legal loopholes or disregard for the law.
The other part of my argument rests on the economics of the situation. Mr. Pilcher's establishment will live or die based on supply and demand. If there is enough of a demand for young girls to take their clothes off in front of people then his club will survive. If there is not enough demand it will have to close down. The best, and most legal way to protest the strip club will be to not go to it, and try to convince as many other people as you can to not go to it. That's how our system works.
The legality vs. supply and demand are largely separate issues here. Cocaine and meth are illegal and should stay that way irregardless of supply and demand. The laws of supply and demand still work with these two products even though they are illegal.
I would welcome and support a move to make strip clubs illegal in Natrona County. Their would surely be court battles over the constitutionality of such a measure, but that's why we have the court system. Saving that I see no legal basis to deny Mr. Pilcher his right to open any legal business. To do so would be unreasonable government intervention into private business and enterprise. I don't want the government to tell me I can't open a legal business, and it seems to me to be hypocritical to try to block someone else from doing the same thing. "
Jill wrote on Sep 30, 2008 11:02 AM:
Removing your clothes for a living or watching nude dancers?
or...
HIding behind your personal religous convictions to control the lives of other people making them live as your demand they do?
Do these radical right wingers know how much closer they are to being radical left wingers whose political agenda is in fact social control and manipulation of others lives, incomes and thoughts? "
Lisa wrote on Sep 30, 2008 11:22 AM:
Christinaj wrote on Sep 30, 2008 1:31 PM:
Trina M: Child molestation and rape are about control not the need to have sex itself. Gay marriage, pre-marital sex, and strip clubs have nothing to do with sex crimes. A basic psychology classes teach about that. Whether gay marriage, pre-marital sex, and strip clubs are immoral are a personal opinion and in no way lead someone to commit a sex crime.
A strip club is not a house of prostitution. The women that work there just take their clothes off not have sex with the customers. Definition of prostitution: the act or practice of engaging in promiscuous sexual relations for money. Definition of stripping: to remove clothing. Big difference there. "
BULL wrote on Sep 30, 2008 2:06 PM:
Mary wrote on Sep 30, 2008 2:08 PM:
Freda wrote on Sep 30, 2008 2:12 PM:
Go ahead, go to the club...enjoy life to its fullest.
Once dead your corpse will only rot and your mind will vanish. There are no streets of gold awaiting anyone. "
Billy Jean wrote on Sep 30, 2008 3:56 PM:
Sam B wrote on Sep 30, 2008 4:16 PM:
Several folks have mentioned in previous comments that if the citizenry of Natrona County truly do not endorse the gentleman's club, it won't be long before the doors will be shut.
Personally, I suspect that Mr. Pilcher's club will thrive, despite the efforts of all the religious soldiers around these parts.
On the topic of rape, prostitution, "the slippery slope": the three countries that have the lowest rates of crime against women (assault, rape, murder) are three countries in which prostitution is legal - Canada, Israel, and Australia - our neighbors and closest allies. Hmmm...
Perhaps there is something more basic at work here: maybe, just maybe, people are genetically predisposed to having, uh oh, SEX! Yep, I said it. Maybe the problem with our society here in the good old USA is that we're always trying to curb the amount of SEX that people have (despite the EXTREMELY NORMAL nature of SEX). "
melmel wrote on Sep 30, 2008 4:26 PM:
Sony in Salem wrote on Sep 30, 2008 7:56 PM:
I am quite educated and would be delighted to challenge your claims. But despite the fact that I have another nine hours of flying time before I arrive at my destination, I know that it is a complete waste of my time to argue such an issue with someone like you and the likes of you.
I will only remind you that not long ago people like you use to torture and burn-alive individuals that claimed the world was round.
I am so thankful that our founding fathers were conscious enough to protect us from self righteous zealots that proclaim divinely guided morals. And don’t kid yourself; you are just the type they were worried about. "
RJ Lord wrote on Sep 30, 2008 11:16 PM:
If the law says Pilcher can build his titty bar, he can build it. I find it no more offensive than so many of the trashy establishments in this area. "
TomT wrote on Oct 1, 2008 8:50 AM:
3. It's a "right" (not if it harms the community)
4. The other strip clubs haven't done any harm (this club is will be easily accessible and will be heavily attended and will be part of the city rather than being detached)
Think about what you are doing. You are arguing FOR the creation of another bar, where they sell nudity for cash. This is not wholesome behavior.
Some of you are the same people who complain about what is happening to our country and our way of life but then choose poorly when faced with moral decisions. You cant have it both ways. If you want your community and society to be the type of place you want to live, raise a family, buy property that maintains it's worth, you have to take a stand and insist on the best behavior in yourself and others. You cannot support businesses that are destructive by nature.
The behavior of strip clubs is only a small step from prostitution, and if you support prostitution, then do you also support child prostitution? If you support that, do you support 3rd world flesh peddling, etc etc. ? The moralists want to know where you draw the line of illicit behavior because at the moment you are arguing FOR something that is a small behavioral step from the others, and no one knows where you stand. You obviously choose morals last when making decisions.
Strip joints always promote a subculture of deviate and/or criminal behavior irregardless of the wishes of management. If you don't recognize the negatives of this type behavior then you are blind or you are rationalizing.
As for me, heck, I admit that I enjoy looking at naked women too, but I won't pretend that commercializing it is good for me or my community. This isnt' a complicated issue. We are discussing allowing flesh peddling into our community and this is a good fight to fight. I will not accept strip clubs as harmless and will work to replace those in government who support it. "
GiantSS wrote on Oct 1, 2008 10:05 AM:
Agrees with Sam Barrett wrote on Oct 1, 2008 10:53 AM:
Tom G. wrote on Oct 1, 2008 10:57 AM:
sweet age 25 wrote on Oct 1, 2008 11:26 AM:
df wrote on Oct 1, 2008 11:41 AM:
Nancy wrote on Oct 1, 2008 1:17 PM:
Blue Collar Scholar wrote on Oct 1, 2008 2:18 PM:
Give me a Break wrote on Oct 1, 2008 2:38 PM:
crazy people are fun wrote on Oct 1, 2008 2:55 PM:
Carnegie was an early proponent of what is now called responsibility assumption. One of the core ideas in his books is that it is possible to change other people's behavior by changing one's reaction to them. "
Christinaj wrote on Oct 1, 2008 3:41 PM:
And for all of those that say that this place will flop, I would bet tons of money that it won't, that is if I was a gambling kind of person. However, it might make Northern Dreams go out of business. Or they might step up out there as well, I don't know. "
Sarah wrote on Oct 1, 2008 4:26 PM:
wonder wrote on Oct 2, 2008 8:26 AM:
LaramieResident wrote on Oct 2, 2008 9:13 AM:
If you people think that opening a strip club is going to ruin the entire state, why hasn't it already happened? There a quite a few strip clubs in the state already. Don't you have something better to do than worry about what a businessman wants to do with his PRIVATE property? Talk about people encroaching on others rights. What's that old saying again...something about a pot and a kettle. "
Ginny wrote on Oct 2, 2008 10:00 AM:
There is already a lack of respect, in my opinion, of women in this town from domestic violence to the wage gap; and we as women have fostered this value with our lack of voice. So any establishment that continues to perpetuate this disrespect is a slap in the face to me and to women in general. We as a gender should have more respect and dignity for ourselves and each other, and, I believe, supporting such establishment is an insult to your fellow sisters... "
Brandy wrote on Oct 2, 2008 10:22 AM:
Just Reading The Paper wrote on Oct 2, 2008 10:57 AM:
The thing is... wrote on Oct 2, 2008 10:59 AM:
Karen wrote on Oct 2, 2008 11:24 AM:
Sanford and Son wrote on Oct 2, 2008 1:24 PM:
After all, if they are committing so much time to attacking something that they don't like, how much time can they be actually spending doing meaningful good deeds like raising their own children properly?
Try minding your own business and living your pure life...away from the rest of us that are normal. "
spaz wrote on Oct 2, 2008 2:20 PM:
Mixed opinion wrote on Oct 2, 2008 2:55 PM:
Mary wrote on Oct 2, 2008 2:57 PM:
Sam B wrote on Oct 2, 2008 3:02 PM:
I would caution you, however, that merely running from an issue that evidently you hold very dear makes you seem much less of a strong person and much more of the type of person you claim to abhor, "... we as women have fostered this value with our lack of voice."
Karen, don't attempt to impose your fictitious "god's law" upon those of us that don't recognize your mythical, and rather cartoonish, character. The only thing I've ever seen walk on water was that adventurous road runner. Meep! Meep! "
GiantSS wrote on Oct 2, 2008 3:34 PM:
Vera wrote on Oct 2, 2008 3:37 PM:
Cindy wrote on Oct 2, 2008 4:33 PM:
Quit trying to use your personal fears and sexual discomfort to control the rightful and normal interests of others. It is phony as he..ll and you know it. Quit wasting our time with your problems with human sexuality. Quit wasting our time with your phony religious B.S too. "
Vegas Baby wrote on Oct 2, 2008 5:54 PM:
And how come it is all right to have these places elsewhere but not in Wyoming? I would think that your god's law governs the whole planet, does it not? HMMM...Then you should be for banning it all over the place and not encouraging people to go to Vegas, because for some reason it is okay there in your book. Get real!! Be for it or be against it, don't be selective about it. Are you selective about which one's of "god's laws" you follow as well? "
Howard wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:13 AM:
MackLady wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:32 AM:
Be careful for how much government morality you want imposed upon us. The argument about the RS curfew is where government has stepped in and we don't like that infringement, but here you're asking for goverment to rule on morality?
And as for rights? People, this is the country where we have FREE enterprise and we are free to choose. If it's legal to open then simply it's legal to open, whether it thrives IS the choice of the people.
Be careful what you ask for, folks! Morality is NOT as issue of rights, it's issue of choice. I think it's totaly insane to talk about family values & strip clubs in the same sentence. THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER. I have raised a wonderful family of productive thriving grown up responsible children that has nothing to do with my husband enjoying some entainment of choice, wherever we may be, as is our right & our choice in this country. This article is about RIGHTS and was somehow lost in all of this, and poorly defended. The council knew the legality of it, you DO NOT want a council or a government ruling on morality. That IS a violation of our first amendment.
Bottom line, folks, be careful what you are asking our governments to govern for you! Free countries have been lost that way. "
MackLady wrote on Oct 3, 2008 11:32 AM:
I just can't stomach the hypocracy of those spouting their God and the sins of the world, who don't realize that they are attacking the very institution that allows them their freedom to choose that religion. I don't get it. "
Cowboy Joe wrote on Oct 3, 2008 1:15 PM:
Tanya wrote on Oct 3, 2008 2:13 PM:
WOOHOOO wrote on Oct 3, 2008 2:21 PM:
Hope wrote on Oct 3, 2008 3:54 PM:
Tanya Tynya Tynya wrote on Oct 3, 2008 9:20 PM:
Further this is a secular nation and perhaps reading the writings of the founders would give you a clue rather than a book of mithology and misplaced selfish theocratic views. It is those such as yourself we need to fear as you know only how to dish out evil and claim some god told you to do it making you no better than a serial felon using the same excuse. "
Mac wrote on Oct 4, 2008 9:16 AM:
How about private property rights?
To do with YOUR property what YOU want? Anyone heard of that?
If you don't like what goes on behind closed doors then DON'T GO IN! Simple.
But no, the nanny staters want to control everyone's moral behavior to match their own. By getting a big enough gang together, and by putting pressure on local officials (who should butt out), they try to push their agenda thru the force of law.
Too bad. How long before these same folks want to ban fast food like L.A.? Ban smoking in the home? In bars? Prescribing how many hours of TV our very own children are "allowed" to watch? Far fetched? The slippery slope is coming to Wyoming and it ain't pretty. "
Lisa wrote on Oct 4, 2008 2:54 PM:
This issue is not about morality; it is an issue that lies between men and women. "
Lisa wrote on Oct 4, 2008 4:34 PM:
Ron wrote on Oct 5, 2008 9:11 AM:
ray wrote on Oct 5, 2008 11:35 AM:
Christinaj wrote on Oct 5, 2008 12:31 PM:
Back when our country was still young, our founding fathers that you speak so highly of did many things that our leaders today say is illegal. Our founding fathers thought of women as property like their slaves and neither were allowed to vote or own land or have money. I find it rather ironic that in your battle agianst all things immoral, that you would look up to these men that were clearly racist and sexist. And I still don't understand why everyone says that it is not okay for strip clubs to be here but it is okay for them to be elsewhere. What makes you so much better then the women in Tijuana that might be fighting against the same thing as you? I also find that completely ironic that it is okay to have strip clubs every where but where you live. I mean if you truly wanted strip clubs banned for everyone, then you would be talking to folks in Washington DC and then the UN. First free the USA of its skin sin and then free the rest of the world.
Let people choose for themselves. What will be your next battle, to get the stores to stop selling porn and then to make Playboy and Hustler go out of business? Good luck with your job of morals police. I will be expecting you to show up at my door. "
GiantSS wrote on Oct 5, 2008 8:10 PM:
dilligaf wrote on Oct 6, 2008 5:54 AM:
I guess if the ladies that dance do it as professionals and aren't a bunch of meth heads then it might work.
But in reality I can for see problems and as others have said if its not wanted in Natrona County then there won't be alot of customers. "
Casper Resident wrote on Oct 6, 2008 8:40 AM:
LaramieResident wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:05 AM:
Grow up and let people have their freedoms, no matter what they may be. Perhaps you should head back to Texas where you performed the noble and courageous task of shutting down the sinful strip clubs. It has to be an incredible place now that morals have been restored, right? "
Rodney wrote on Oct 6, 2008 10:23 AM:
What if I were to feel that their recruiting in public was wrong and oppressive? Shouldn't I then too be able to demand that the religious types cease all public recruiting and other "oppressive" activities of theirs?
Now that church groups are directly contributing to political campaigns with money, shouldn't they loose their tax free status also?
I'm a conservative and an atheist. I have about had it with the media and the left all calling religious groups right wing.
The Catholic and Jewish votes are largely democrat, so are the black churches across the country. "
noneya wrote on Oct 6, 2008 10:53 AM:
Obviously people are getting butthurt over a strip club..UMMM HELLOO!!! What about Northern Dreams?????? We already have one so what is the big deal? Other then its closer to town and not as far to drive drunk home from....I would rather have a club like that closer to home then further...Why make a big deal..We all have choices and if you choose not to go to it then so be it...But I might be wrong but last I knew this was suppose to be a free country!! And obviously all the people getting upset over this just shows how unfree this country is.. "
Schraeder wrote on Oct 6, 2008 1:55 PM:
But we have gone astray. We have entered a new permissive era, since the '60's, allowing for nudity in public, lust, drug and alcohol consumption, and a relativistic view of morals. The madness has to stop. If we need to make strip clubs illegal through legislation or judicial precedent, because there are those out there who do not have the common decency to keep themselves out of them, then let's do it. If it means getting some additional conservative judges appointed, who DO know the difference between right and wrong, then let's do it. I'm ready for the showdown. We will not back down from this. "
enough already wrote on Oct 6, 2008 3:58 PM:
Wanda wrote on Oct 6, 2008 4:11 PM:
"The same people who are for this strip club are the same people who are participating in the moral decay of this country."
Prove your statement. Where is the evidence to back your claim and support your argument against establishments of this type?
I have over 2000 years of evidence written in history that tells mankind that religion is dangerous and damaging to humans (e.g. 911).
Support your opinion. "
Jackie A wrote on Oct 6, 2008 5:15 PM:
Not all of us should be strippers at least once in our life. I would NEVER be a stripper and I disagree that every woman should try it. That's ridiculous.
I have to say, I've worked with LOTS of people who were past strippers or did porn, especially when I lived in Hawaii and its not a way to make a living. Yes these women are beautiful, and though a lot of people on here think that its ok because its no one's business, the fact of the matter is that these women are exploiting their bodies for money. I have heard HORROR stories from the people (yes even MEN) who were strippers or did just one porn- and it was not something they enjoyed. Do you honestly think they go home feeling good about themselves? Everyone in support of this needs to look at it from the stripper's point of view. There will not be a normal girl up there dancing at Cowboy's. She'll either have drug issues, money issues, self esteem issues, etc. No one in their right mind strips for a living and feels good about it when they get home. I know this is true because I have heard enough stories about it. I really hope someone who has been in the porn or striptease business reads this response and opens up about what goes on behind the scenes. Its an entire other world that alot of the people on here aren't even acknowledging. "
Moral Decay wrote on Oct 6, 2008 7:02 PM:
The land you live on was stolen how does that fit your morals.
for example: "I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."
Thomas Jefferson
I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Thomas Jefferson
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
Thomas Jefferson
Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear. Thomas Jefferson
care for more? "
Jason wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:08 PM:
MackLady wrote on Oct 7, 2008 6:55 AM:
We've not gone astray. We're FREE people. You want the Holy Land, go to Persia, they KNOW right from wrong there, and let me tell you, you ain't right there either. "
supporter wrote on Oct 7, 2008 7:25 AM:
The real story wrote on Oct 7, 2008 8:00 AM:
Once upon a time, on a farm in Virginia, there was a little red hen who scratched about the barnyard until she uncovered quite a few grains of wheat.
She called all of her neighbors together and said, 'If we plant this wheat, we shall have bread to eat. Who will help me plant it?'
'Not I,' said the cow.
'Not I,' said the duck.
'Not I,' said the pig.
'Not I,' said the goose.
'Then I will do it by myself,' said the little red hen, and so she did. The wheat grew very tall and ripened into golden grain.
'Who will help me reap my wheat?' asked the little red hen.
'Not I,' said the duck..
'Out of my classification,' said the pig.
'I'd lose my seniority,' said the cow.
'I'd lose my unemployment compensation,' said the goose.
'Then I will do it by myself,' said the little red hen, and so she did.
At last it came time to bake the bread.
'Who will help me bake the bread?' asked the little red hen.
'That would be overtime for me,' said the cow.
'I'd lose my welfare benefits,' said the duck.
'I'm a dropout and never learned how,' said the pig.
'If I'm to be the only helper, that's discrimination,' said the goose.
'Then I will do it by myself,' said the little red hen.
She baked five loaves and held them up for all of her neighbors to see. They wanted some and, in fact, demanded a share. But the little red hen said, 'No, I shall eat all five loaves.'
'Excess profits!' cried the cow. (Nancy Pelosi)
'Capitalist leech!' screamed the duck. (Barbara Boxer)
'I demand equal rights!' yelled the goose. (Jesse Jackson)
The pig just grunted in disdain. (Ted Kennedy)
And they all painted 'Unfair!' picket signs and marched around and around the little red hen, shouting obscenities.
Then the farmer (Obama) came. He said to the little red hen, 'You must not be so greedy.'
'But I earned the bread,' said the little red hen.
'Exactly,' said Barack the farmer. 'That is what makes our free enterprise system so wonderful. Anyone in the barnyard can earn as much as he wants. But under our modern government regulations, the productive workers must divide the fruits of their labor with those who are lazy and idle.'
And they all lived happily ever after, including the little red hen, who
smiled and clucked, 'I am grateful, for now I truly understand.'
But her neighbors became quite disappointed in her. She never again baked
bread because she joined the 'party' and got her bread free. And all the
Democrats smiled. 'Fairness' had been established.
Individual initiative had died, but nobody noticed; perhaps no one cared...so
long as there was free bread that 'the rich' were paying for.
EPILOGUE
Bill Clinton is getting $12 million for his memoirs.
Hillary got $8 million for hers.
That's $20 million for the memories from two people, who for eight years,
repeatedly testified, under oath, that they couldn't remember anything.
IS THIS A GREAT BARNYARD OR WHAT? "
Reader wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:19 AM:
ok wrote on Oct 7, 2008 10:08 AM:
What the heck does that have to do with a strip club in mills? That is a ridiculous story even if it had anything to do with the story you are posting it to. A more realistic story would be where the red hen had the grains of wheat, the neighbors did all the work planting, harvesting, and baking the bread; then the red hen sold the bread to the neighbors and kept most of the money for herself, only giving the neighbors just enough so they could pay the hen for their share of the bread. Then the red hen had all the money and some of the bread even though the neighbors did all the work; the hen only had the grains of wheat, yet was so greedy that she thought she deserved all the money for the sale of the bread even though she had been at the golf course while everyone else did all the work. "
pillow wrote on Oct 7, 2008 10:38 AM:
Freedom wrote on Oct 7, 2008 12:17 PM:
If the great city of Casper truly doesn't want this, then don't attend it and it will shut down via financial reasons. "
Whatever wrote on Oct 7, 2008 12:58 PM:
ummmm......the county commissioners consulted with their attorney and said that the state and local laws allow for a strip club to be operated in Natrona County, and they would lose a legal battle against it. So 4 of the 5 commissioners decided it was a better use of the county's money to use it elsewhere instead of a long expensive legal fight that they would most likely lose anyway.
If we want to get rid of the new strip club we need to petition our legislators to change the laws at a state level. "
the last coyote wrote on Oct 7, 2008 2:27 PM:
Hill Billy wrote on Oct 7, 2008 4:10 PM:
CasperGal wrote on Oct 7, 2008 7:40 PM:
zach wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:03 PM:
However I also do not approve of banning them just because you personally don't like them. I think he should be able to open one if they want.
Government regulation seldom solves any problems. If you want to improve society go to church and get involved in a ministry. "
Holly wrote on Oct 8, 2008 1:45 PM:
Hal wrote on Oct 8, 2008 4:39 PM:
This club will have little or no negative or positive impact on our community. "
Desi wrote on Oct 9, 2008 6:07 AM:
bombgirl wrote on Oct 9, 2008 10:06 AM:
young24 wrote on Oct 9, 2008 11:01 AM:
Ray wrote on Oct 9, 2008 8:41 PM:
Come on people. This is another business in Casper and if people want it, the business will be successful. If, on the other hand, they don't want it then the business will fail. It is that simple.
For all my Bible Thumping friends on the forum. If there are so many people against this strip club and the negative effects it will have on Casper, why don't you open a new church across the street so the people who didn't REALLY want to go to the strip club can be purified again?
Lastly, the last thing I want is our GOVERNMENT telling us more of what we can and cannot do. Remember this is AMERICA and OUR constitution gives us many freedoms. If you want the government to run your life I hear Cuba has some openings. Do you need some boxes to get packing?
Settle down everyone,
Ray "
hmmm wrote on Oct 9, 2008 11:12 PM:
Concerned wrote on Oct 10, 2008 7:42 AM:
Cant say wrote on Oct 10, 2008 11:45 PM:
biker ron wrote on Oct 11, 2008 12:42 AM:
zoe wrote on Oct 11, 2008 11:47 AM:
RedRider wrote on Oct 11, 2008 1:19 PM:
You rock RedRider wrote on Oct 12, 2008 11:03 AM:
who cares wrote on Oct 13, 2008 2:03 PM:
FREE ENTERPRISE wrote on Oct 15, 2008 8:01 AM:
Dale Tuttle wrote on Oct 15, 2008 8:19 AM:
caspergal wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:32 AM:
casperblond wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:33 AM:
two cents wrote on Oct 15, 2008 4:54 PM:
Open more wrote on Oct 18, 2008 11:28 AM:
Jeff m wrote on Oct 20, 2008 10:22 AM:
CG wrote on Oct 21, 2008 4:08 PM:
Ashamed American wrote on Oct 22, 2008 3:24 AM:
1 - Separation of church and state. Meaning: Regardless of how moral or amazing your argument sounds, you keep throwing scripture in there and it HAS TO BE REJECTED because it's religious bias and that can not be tolerated in the government without a whole upheaval of the system to begin with. Seriously, I thought everybody knew that, but obviously a whole county and quite possibly an entire state is still clueless about that which makes me question their educational system.
2 - Free enterprise system. Meaning: When our founding fathers built this nation, they had a dream and part of that was that a business, as long as it held to the laws of the United States, could be built wherever they could make a profit. Now obviously when it comes to strip clubs, it's in that grey area just because of morality issues, but here's the thing, IT DOESN'T F'ING MATTER! If you don't want to go to that place, fine, that's your decision, but you can not say that they can't build where they wish just because you don't think that it would be appropriate. Now if it were near a school, I'd say otherwise, but from what I've seen so far, strip clubs tend to stay away from where children preside, so quit being such cowards thinking that your morality will be challenged daily from wanting to go into that place and just ignore it. If all of you idiots really believe that place is so bad and don't go there, they'll go out of business really fast so problem solved.
3 - And this is my most important point, THEY ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING ILLEGAL!!!!!!!! Meaning: Get over yourselves unless you can come up with some statute preventing them from building it because if you can't, it's going to happen regardless what you think. Sex sells in America, and as depressing as that may be, it's still a legal venue THAT DOES NOT KILL ANYBODY (referring to a comment earlier about drugs. Seriously, whoever made that comment, please, for the sake of humanity, don't have kids.) and is a very profitable investment from a business standpoint. In the end, money controls everything, period. So unless you have some rich idiot or idiots who can up and buy the land they want to build on from under them, then get ready for it because it's coming. I wish you yanks the best and pray that you'll come to see that you are all making huge morons of yourselves by arguing points that are irrelevant from both a governmental and business standpoint.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going back to a more normal reality where people aren’t completely F’ing blank in the brain and see if I can spark a somewhat intelligent conversation. "
KG wrote on Oct 22, 2008 4:43 PM:
happyDude wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:37 PM:
Boobs = happy.
Happy = no fight.
No fight = peace.
Therefore:
Boobs = Peace!
Quit complainin'. If your god didn't want us to check out babes he wouldn't have made them so hot. "
Swen Swenson wrote on Oct 24, 2008 4:10 AM:
And if you don't want to contribute to their clothing fund no one is forcing you to attend. "
heres a thought wrote on Oct 26, 2008 6:25 AM:
would i attend this one? probably not. should it exist? certainly.
i know from many ladies that have attended functions where the guy's are the strippers, well, to put it mildly, they enjoy it very much.
so let it exist. besides, the way Bush has plunged our economy/constitution/country of off the bridge to nowhere, none of us are going to be able to even afford clothes anyways. "
Owl wrote on Oct 26, 2008 2:18 PM:
Jesus walked with and taught the wrong doers and offered them forgiveness. To teach them how to live with GOD ways
You’re judging others and forcing them into your own beliefs is not Christian.
Your judgment may just condemn your self to stand beside that other sinner in Hell.
In America we all have the right and duty to vote at the poles and with our dollars we all work so hard for. If you do not want any business in your home town just refuse to seek its services and that business will eventually close and go away.
Care for you self and your family by taking the “plank out of your own eye first” and then offer your hand to help others.
Let GOD be the Judge. You are only responsible to him for your actions.
Let freedom Ring, and keep your faith and trust in Christ. You only walk through the gate into heaven with Christ.
GOD bless America. "
Hey Pilcher wrote on Oct 28, 2008 1:31 AM:
Stuck in the middle wrote on Oct 28, 2008 12:00 PM:
Stuck is stuck up wrote on Oct 28, 2008 3:51 PM:
For being 20 years old, you are pretty judgemental and bitter. How long does one have to live here to be able to have input? I don't imagine you pay property taxes so, according to history you shouldn't even be able to vote.
FYI: Wyomans were voted the least friendly people in the nation and Cheyenne has the highest number of car accidents per capita! Wyoming has always had its problems. If it weren't for "come here's", you wouldn't have places to shop like Walmart and Target.
You worry about the strip clubs, but is anyone trying to get the Tokyo Massage Parlor to close? I am married and have kids. My husband doesn't go to those places because he has no desire to. The people that go there are already lacking in morals - they're not being led astray. "
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