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House candidates spar over domestic issues

U.S. Congress candidate Cynthia Lummis talks about energy during the political forum at Casper College Sunday evening. Photo by TIM KUPSICK, Star-Tribune.

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Voters could send Republican Cynthia Lummis to the U.S. House because of her experience in Wyoming government and conservative credentials, she said.

Voters could send Democrat Gary Trauner because of his business background and willingness to do what's right for Wyoming regardless of party dictates, he said.

Or they could send in the clone.

"The closest you could come to voting for an independent would be to vote for me," Libertarian David Herbert said at a forum at Casper College on Sunday for the three candidates running to for Wyoming's lone seat in the U.S. House of Representatives.

"If you vote for me, I will be a clone of (Republican) Ron Paul in the Congress. Ron Paul and I have very few differences in our positions on just about everything," Herbert said.

Herbert responded to the first question -- whether voting for an independent candidate is a wasted vote -- posed by forum moderators Walter Allen of Channel 13 and Chad Baldwin, editor of the Casper Star-Tribune.

Of course not, said Herbert, a podiatrist from Riverton.

Trauner, who lives in Wilson, responded that he'd thought about running as an independent but knows that for a candidate to have a good chance of winning, he/she needs the backing of one of the two major parties.

Corruption, he said, can be found in both parties from Rep. William Jefferson, D.-La., who's been accused of taking bribes to Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, R-Calif., who's serving an eight-year prison sentence for bribery.

"We all know the label doesn't make the person," Trauner said.

Lummis proudly declared her Republican pedigree.

"I believe my party stands for limited government, low taxes, for keeping spending under control, and for balancing budgets," she said. "As a member of the Wyoming Legislature for 14 years, we did exactly that."

She wants to take that experience to Congress and push for a line-item veto, and limit bills to one subject to avoid slathering on the pork.

This and all questions dealt with domestic policy. The moderators did not ask questions about foreign policy, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, education, transportation or moral issues such as abortion.

The forum rules did not permit candidates to question each other.

However, Trauner and Lummis were able to aim a few zingers at each other.

For his part, Trauner did not respond to one major gaffe on Lummis' part that elicited angry groans from some in the audience.

Lummis was questioned about a comment that almost half the households in America pay no income tax.

Enter the gaffe.

"Yet the Osama, uh, the Barack Obama excuse me, the Obama (health care) plan would give those people rebates and they're not paying taxes now," Lummis said.

After the forum, Lummis again apologized. "That was such an accident; it was absolutely an accident."

Some issues garnered some agreement.

Both Trauner and Lummis agreed reluctantly Congress needed to intervene with the collapse of the financial markets, but it did a terrible job of explaining what it was doing as the bill grew from two-and-a-half pages to several hundred pages.

Herbert, however, said the bill gives the Secretary of Treasury unlimited power and could create a constitutional crisis.

They agreed that Yellowstone National Park should be available at all times for as many people as possible, with Lummis adding the federal government has been making regulations further restricting some uses such as snowmobiling.

They also agreed with the need for exploring all possible types of energy, with Trauner favoring more efforts to keep oil produced on federal lands to remain in the United States instead of being sold overseas.

A 90-second response to dealing with health care drew the sharpest retorts.

The United States already has a nationalized health care system because 20 cents to 30 cents of every health care dollar goes toward paying for those who are not covered by insurance, Trauner said.

Health insurance coverage for everyone, he said. "is morally the right thing to do and the economically right thing to do."

Lummis responded that people need to be able to choose their own doctors, and the Medicare and Medicaid systems have shown that the federal government can't manage health care.

"I support patient directed health care, not government dictated health care," he said.

Reach Tom Morton at (307) 266-0592, or at Tom.Morton@trib.com.


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Ex GOP voter wrote on Oct 6, 2008 4:55 AM:

" I'm not a Democrat and never will be but this time I'm voting for Gary. Lummis' claim that the GOP "stands for limited government, low taxes, for keeping spending under control, and for balancing budgets" is laughable. Where has she been for the past 8 years?? We need to punish GOP and start from scratch. Lummis refuses to denounce Cubin because Cubin's staff is working to help Cynthia get elected. Tom Wiblemo is working hard to elect Lummis so he can have a job next year. This is a farce!!!! VOTE NO ON LUMMIS!!!!! "

Enuff wrote on Oct 6, 2008 7:59 AM:

" Lummis speaks with forked toungue . She is another GOP lackey. Wyoming has had enough of these GOP lackeys who do nothing but line their pockets and offer no real fixes for the American economy which has been ruined by Bush,s voodoo economics. Even their messiah McCain sidesteps the economy issue and instead throws cow dung around to fix the economy. His parrot Palin is no better. "

Bubba wrote on Oct 6, 2008 8:50 AM:

" Didja see the giant letters that spelled G-A-R-Y? over by the main entrance to Casper College Sunday afternoon?
They were made of many dozens of Gary Trauner yard signs.
Wonder what Cynthia Lummis thought when she saw that? "

wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:51 AM:

" Bubba, Lummis saw the signs and knew it was a violation of local law. That hill is the property of the City of Casper. The city does not allow campaign signs on their property. Trauner's disregard for local laws is a good gauge of his character. The law is the law and Trauners broke it! Good job Gary. "

vilyn wrote on Oct 6, 2008 11:09 AM:

" The Democrats and Republicans are ruining our great country and I've had enough of the lies and and bs to last me a lifetime. How wonderful to read that we actually have a choice this year in
David Herbert !
Please forgive forum moderators Walter Allen of Channel 13 and Chad Baldwin, editor of the Casper Star-Tribune for asking the idiotic question about a wasted vote for an independent candidate. A wasted vote would be voting for a republican or democrat. The two party system is killing us - I hope Wyoming will vote for real change for the better.
Vilyn
Casper - former republican "

Trauner Voter wrote on Oct 6, 2008 11:53 AM:

" Dems will have an effective majority in both House and Senate next year and very probably the Presidency. If Wyoming is to have any voice *at all* in the coming years we'll need a Democratic representative. Trauner's like a moderate Republican with a D after his name. What do we have to lose? "

Signs Signs everywhere the signs wrote on Oct 6, 2008 12:26 PM:

" Bubba-


She probably thought they were illegally hung up there which they were.

Trauner's people have been putting signs up all over in places they don'thave permission. I heard on Sunday they had them on golf course property, casper college property everywhere and were forced to take them down.

But as long as we get ethics, responsibility and less partisanship back in Washington who needs it here, right? "

Go bubba wrote on Oct 6, 2008 1:09 PM:

" Trauner was not forced to take them down. He knew that on Sunday the City Manager’s office was closed. Gary put the signs up without the City's permission knowing that there would be no one available on a Sunday to enforce the law. After the debate (the one he lost) he took down the signs. He broke the law knowing that he would not get caught! Straight talk is “If you don’t get caught it is not against the law”. "

JimS wrote on Oct 6, 2008 2:47 PM:

" The most powerful letter after a congressman’s name for the next 4 years will be (L). Why? Because votes are shaping up to be insanely close in the house next year. The democrat majority will be weakened by the passage of the bailout making the republican count rise.

The best representation will be from the tie breaker.. VOTE David Herbert "

Bubba wrote on Oct 6, 2008 3:05 PM:

" Dear Signs,
Don't get your underwear in a twist.
It was a great prank and psychological 'gotcha' pulled on an overly smug and overconfident Lummis and GOP power structure that have had their way (innuendo alarm!) with Wyoming for many years.
I'm sure the signs are all down now, so your hyper-ventication can cease. "

Wyo_girl wrote on Oct 6, 2008 5:02 PM:

" I have a freind who works on the staff. Regarding the signs, they checked w/the college and they said that they could put everything up as long as it was not permanently affixed. That's what she told me. They also said they could put them up for that day as long as they took them down. The Trauner people got up at six in the morning and put them up while it was cold and windy. They're actually pretty dedicated. They did it as a surprise to Trauner. He didn't even know they were going to do it. Anyways, why would you slam someones staff for putting up signs? GOP Lummis bobbleheads are just mad they didn't get there first. Barrasso, Enzi and Carter had lots of signs up too. Actually, Carter parked his big bus thing across four spaces which is a little more obnoxious then the signs. If you ask me, anyways... "

Tutsie wrote on Oct 6, 2008 10:31 PM:

" Oh, about the signs -- what about Lummis putting signs in Kaycee and Buffalo without permission? What about the taking down of Mark Gordon signs all around the state by the Lummis staff? Go Gary!!! Gosh, you people, can't you worry about something else but the signs? Let's look at the issues and vote for Trauner. Cynthia is sinking her own ship by opening her mouth. "

Would the Real Gary Please Stand Up Please Stand Up wrote on Oct 6, 2008 10:34 PM:

" does anyone on this blog get on you tube.

There is an interview with Gary with the Daily Kos, not a nonpartisan medium by any stretch and an interview with him proudly stating his making the elelectoral map more Democat.

Check it out yourselves, the CST wont'. "

Rich Fujita wrote on Oct 7, 2008 3:23 PM:

" As director of College Relations for Casper College, I was the college's event organizer for this, and we did not allow any signage to be mounted on college property. We did ask for the campaign volunteers’ cooperation with this, and they complied.
When someone drew a chalk campaign message on a sidewalk, we immediately required that they remove it, which they did.
There were signs affixed to personal vehicles in the parking lots, but not to college property. Affixing signs to one’s own vehicle is clearly protected speech and well outside the college’s authority to control. The signs on personal vehicles represented candidates from both parties (although perhaps not in equal numbers).
There were no campaign signs affixed to college property (including lawns).
. "

unreal wrote on Oct 8, 2008 9:30 AM:

" With all the problems in the world today and with so many important issues on the line I can't believe you guys are worried about some signs. "

kens wrote on Oct 9, 2008 6:03 AM:

" Lummis is a closed minded rubber stamp just like Babs. Her old man got busted with pot so how conservitive can she be? More of the Bush Cheney bunch "

Exactly wrote on Oct 9, 2008 8:02 AM:

" I'm with you unreal; signs...what a lame topic of discussion in the midst of the current economic conditions and with all the problems facing our nation. Put signs wherever you want; I don't vote for signs; I vote for candidates. Tell me what your positions are on important issues that our country faces and I will decide for myself who I trust to represent me. "

Alkaline wrote on Oct 9, 2008 10:13 AM:

" Since when does the GOP stand for 'limited government and balanced budgets?' Has Lummis picked up a newspaper recently? Bush and Paulson's policy of bailing out Wall Street with taxpayer money is not what I'd call 'limited government.' It is maximum government. Good theory though, Lummis. And balanced budgets? We went from a record surplus in 2000, to a record deficit in 8 years under Bush. Actions speak much louder than words. They had to change the National Deficit ticker today, for the first time in history, to add digits for another ten trillion dollars. Actions speak louder than words. The GOP is a trainwreck. "

Break It Down wrote on Oct 9, 2008 10:16 AM:

" Trauner is Freudenthal. Lummis is Cubin. November 4 is the day. You decide. "

Disgusted Wyomingite wrote on Oct 9, 2008 7:34 PM:

" I was up by the Wyoming Medical
Center and couldn't help but notice
how many of the "docs" back
Lummis. "

Ghosts of the Economic Past wrote on Oct 10, 2008 3:27 PM:

" I guess this would be a bad time for Lummis to bring up her old proposal about privatizing social security, and pegging it to Wall Street's performance. Haven't heard her talk about that genius idea in a while. Can't imagine why not. "

No Credibility Left wrote on Oct 12, 2008 1:44 PM:

" Speaking of Cheney, where is Cheney these days? He was on talk shows five times a day in the run-up to the Iraq invasion. I remember it well, because his estimate was that the war would take 'weeks not months.' Famous last words. He's been awfully quiet through this economic meltdown. Dead quiet. I guess no one has invited him to do stump speeches for their campaigns either. Can't imagine why not. "

Hammerman wrote on Oct 14, 2008 7:24 AM:

" I already voted for Cynthia absentee.... she's a true Wyoming conservative and has all the right stuff re: drilling and keeping government out of our business. No offense to Trauner but he would show up on the capitol steps and Speaker of the house Pelosi would put a lip lock on him and away goes Wyoming's representation. Cynthia...... You go girl!!! "

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